#43 - The Haunting of Holliswood Manor

Tim 0:23

Daniel. Tim. Jems.

Nikki 0:28

Honeybuns.

Daniel 0:29

Welcome back. Honeybuns and James, really? I mean, I know James, but Honey Bun? Yeah.

Nikki 0:35

Well, he has a few nicknames. There's Honeybun, there's Slim Jim.

Tim 0:39

I do Slim Jim, really.

Nikki 0:41

In my phone, he's listed as Slim Jim.

Tim 0:44

It's Slim Jim because we used to call myself back years ago Slim Hallister. Okay. What's the backstory on that? Because I'm fat. So you just come opposite of the because I'm fat. What's up, Daniel? I'm good. I can't hear myself. Is that all right? No, it's not all right. Push your thing up in there. What about now? There we go. There you go. Now I can hear you guys. Perfect. I can hear my terrible voice. Welcome back. You've hit this is the first time you've seen the new Holliswood Studios. It it honestly looks great. I mean, Daniel said when he came in, Well, are you trying to quit your job? Yeah, I mean, Nikki even added. I mean, I'm gonna suggest this is a chalkboard.

Nikki 1:23

It is. I'm gonna repaint that. Okay.

Daniel 1:26

I still like it.

Tim 1:26

Well, she didn't add that. It was it was like that when we moved in. Okay, for the grandchildren. No, when we moved in.

Nikki 1:32

They're not allowed out here.

Tim 1:33

Oh, okay. That's true. This is like adults only out here. Safe haven, that's good. It is.

Daniel 1:38

I didn't realize it was okay.

Tim 1:40

It looks wonderful. It really does. Okay, I'm glad you like it. Move my mic closer to myself. I added some new booms here for people to use. There you go. I mean, unbelievable. It probably would have been uh I can like sit back and not even have to move anymore. It probably would have been good to do this before we started. Yeah, it's alright though. But it's okay.

Nikki 2:01

How many rounds of cameras and mics and mic stands have you gone through?

Tim 2:05

I've gone through quite a bit to not perfect it to but to make it what it is right now.

Nikki 2:10

Yeah, yeah. It's just it's not perfected. Daniel and I were just commenting on your poor lighting. The lighting has gone downhill. When you first started setting up, I was helping you with your lighting. Yeah, I was helping you with the lighting, making sure it was flattering for everybody. And now Tim has just abandoned lighting. There we go. And he's letting the sun do it.

Daniel 2:30

Do you think this is gonna be the final product? The final product of the pod bars? No, like layout. Yeah.

Tim 2:36

Yeah, this probably will be it. This is this is what it'll be. There'll be a fourth camera when we do two sat dads, but okay. Speaking of that, we'll never do that again because you can't ever make it. Well, y'all phoned me in last time, so I was gonna say hey, now is your opportunity to retaliate.

Daniel 2:56

I didn't even I didn't even listen to it. So do I need to retaliate?

Nikki 2:58

Well, you it was really just Joseph and Mike giving you shit the whole time.

Daniel 3:03

Oh, really? So you should you say you you're saying I should have listened to it before I got here. You probably should have just listened to it anyway because you were on it. Well, yeah, I don't I typically don't like to listen to my I mean I do sometimes, but sometimes I don't.

Nikki 3:15

No, I get it, or you just give them shit just to cover your bases.

Daniel 3:20

So proceed. So you could start this by saying no, why don't you proceed by telling them telling me what they said about me?

Tim 3:27

You were on the phone with them. Well, I mean, I was making dinner, I mean I don't remember. Yeah, they're just talking normal shit about you not being here. Was it really two and a half hours? It was about two hours. Good lord. That's a long time. Yeah, it was like what did we decide it was like three sad dads or two and a half sad dads or something?

Nikki 3:45

Three and a half sad dads.

Tim 3:46

Yeah, didn't we do the math and we were way off? Yeah, but we're not mathematicians. That's true. So that's true. Well, this is gonna be the last episode of October, so okay. And um the that we've been following the theme of um spooky season type stuff on these podcasts since Halloween. Because Halloween's coming up here pretty soon. So tell me about your Halloween. Do you are you a big Halloween celebrator?

Daniel 4:11

I am, and you know what I was watching this morning, and you know what I thought about doing for Halloween, or actually, I thought about doing this a few years ago. I turned to my wife, I was like, Do you think anybody would have a wheelchair in the neighborhood? Because I rented the wheelchair for this uh, I guess this costume, and what I wanted to be was the legless Lieutenant Dan from Forrest Gump.

Nikki 4:33

That's amazing.

Daniel 4:34

That's pretty good. A buddy of mine did it, and uh, I saw pictures of it a long time ago. I think he did it like 10, 10 years ago, and I thought that was just cracked me up. So I was like, man, that would be great to do that. And then I was watching the Goonies this morning, and I thought about the guy that you know that the older uh brother that kind of works out. Yeah, I was like, what a simple costume that would be. You just have to get the bandana, a pair of running uh sweatpants, and those stupid shorts that go over them. Yeah, and like a hooded sweatshirt and go trick-or-treating.

Tim 5:07

I don't know, man. I like the lieutenant down thing better.

Daniel 5:09

Yeah.

Tim 5:10

I wonder if I could do that. I bet you I could. Yeah. I told my wife I said she have to push me around the old neighborhood all night. Well, I mean, that that's basically like the best scenario ever. Because when you're trick-or-treating, the worst part about it is having to go to every single little thing. But if you're in a wheelchair, you just get pushed around.

Daniel 5:28

So here is what you guys have passed this threshold. My oldest is now actually, it's funny because my oldest is 15. He's a sophomore in high school at Franklin. Uh, he actually has a football game that night because Halloween's on Friday night. Oh, yeah. But even if he didn't, I'd assume he probably wouldn't go trick-or-treating. My middle is in eighth grade, so she's kind of like on the cusp of maybe am I too cool for it or not?

Tim 5:52

Too cool. But maybe just enough to like get some candy.

Daniel 5:55

Yeah. And then I have an 11-year-old, Bo. So do you at that point kind of let them do their thing and what and or do you and stay home and hand the candy out? Because I don't think we've ever really stayed home and handed candy out because we're always walking around with the kids. Yeah. Right?

Nikki 6:11

Yeah. When the kids got to teenage years, we kind of let them figure out what they wanted to do. Sometimes they'd want to go just hang out at a friend's house for Halloween. Sometimes, you know, young boys, they still want to go around with their pillowcases and t-shirt and not really costume and go get, you know, free payment stuff. But I think around 15, they definitely were not doing that anymore. That was more like the 12, 13 year range. Yeah. So I think uh end of middle school, maybe freshman year at the latest is when they kind of stopped doing that.

Daniel 6:47

But something about like, you know, it'd be it's kind of cool to be able to just you know have a little bonfire in the driveway. And well, that's what I said on a couple beers and a different episode of talking about how every time we used to go to take the kids trick-or-treating in the fancy neighborhood out here.

Tim 7:03

Oh, yeah, yeah. Like you see all the people sitting around, hanging out, drinking beer, and you know, I'm like, man, I want to do that rather than being cold and walking around the neighborhood. Right.

Daniel 7:13

We uh we had a neighbor in our old uh neighborhood when we were back, lived in Antioch in Stanford Village. She would give out spiked apple cider for the adults.

Nikki 7:23

Oh, I'm glad you said for the adults.

Daniel 7:25

Yeah, yeah. Adults only. I thought that was a good idea.

Tim 7:28

Spiked apple apple cider for the kids. Did you give them a little boost? Oh, god, no. To get through the neighborhood. Gave me a boost, though. Yeah. Well, when I was running for a skump and I won the costume contest that year. So so when you so when you take the kids trick-or-treating, are you usually dressed up too, or were you just like the chaperone?

Daniel 7:46

Uh no, last time I dressed up was probably three years ago. Yeah, probably three years ago, the first Halloween we were in the neighborhood. I was uh a simple costume. I was Bob Ross, because I had the beard, I got a wig, and I just got a paintbrush and I just tied it around my neck to kind of signify because I don't want to hold a paintbrush. So I was like, you know, so every time I walk up to somebody like, do you know who I am? You know, yeah.

Rico 8:09

That's funny.

Daniel 8:10

Did people know who it was?

Tim 8:11

Yeah, the the the adults did, but yeah, the kids didn't. Yeah, we were never we never did the dressing up and doing all that. The kids trick-or-treated, it fell off pretty quick after they it was like a hard cutoff at a certain age.

Daniel 8:23

I mean, I you I mean, you guys are I mean, you guys are in a neighborhood, but you're not in a neighborhood.

Tim 8:27

Yeah, there's not much action going on over here. So to get most there's like the little kids that are really young, like three or four years old, that will go trick-or-treating. There's like what, like maybe four or five people.

Nikki 8:38

Yeah.

Tim 8:39

Because everybody goes to the neighborhood and fair view that like it would be like a the version of your neighborhood. Yeah, so you can you know just go on through and and it's very easy to hit house to house.

Nikki 8:51

Yeah, yeah. We've only passed out candy like a couple of times. Yeah, yeah.

Tim 8:56

We did that last year. I said that I wanted my contribution to the neighborhood, I wanted to get like a trailer and some hay bells and just do this loop. That'd be cool.

Nikki 9:04

He says this every year and it never happens.

Tim 9:07

That's true. And this year it won't happen either. It's all right.

Nikki 9:09

Just I really want it to happen.

Tim 9:10

Just get Johnny on it and he'll we'll get you one week. But if my intention is that I was gonna do that, that doesn't that make it just as good? Like, oh, Tim was gonna do that.

Nikki 9:19

You still have time to make this happen. It's it's early in the day. We got my whole family coming over today for a spooky baby shower. And hey, get a trailer, get some hay, take us all on a ride. We don't need kids, we'll just all the adults go.

Daniel 9:33

I don't know. Just line the back of your truck up with hay bales and just say, hop in the back of the truck, kids.

Nikki 9:38

Daniel will give us some spiked cider and we'll all we'll all do that.

Daniel 9:40

Absolutely. A little whiskey in your in your apple cider.

Tim 9:42

Yeah, it's possible. Daniel, let me show you some pictures and see if you remember these. Um when's the last time I was on here? I mean, it must have been six months ago. It's been a while, a little bit too long. But the I did a Google search for um pictures of people in 80s costumes. And so I was looking through this. I was trying to find, like, you know, when you were younger, how it'd be like I got it, real shitty, like uh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, like plastic.

Daniel 10:07

It was plastic.

Nikki 10:08

It's plastic with a printed image on them.

Daniel 10:10

I mean, that right there to the to the middle right probably is an image of me bowl cut, but I mean that's a spitting image of what I would probably look like as a kid. Yeah, what I did look like as a kid. And the plastic mass plastic mass, the plastic with like the elastic that goes behind the head.

Tim 10:28

It was so and it would always break like that little piece of uh of elastic would break like before the end of the game. The plastic cape. Yeah, when I was a kid, I always wanted to be Dracula. Yeah, and the teeth, and they were always like shitty, like and they just rammed up in your gums.

Daniel 10:44

And like you didn't have to like create blood out there, you just had to let leave those teeth and let them come out on the team.

Tim 10:52

100% and messed up. But you're gonna make sure your mullet comes out and be like, Mom, don't touch the mullet, you know. You're like slicking your hair back to the Dracula, and you're that mullet look was looking good. Make sure that's extra curls back there, mama. When I started looking at these pictures more, that is like this.

Daniel 11:08

Is literally staring at my my family album. I know.

Tim 11:12

It's not look at this little kid with the knife. It's like, hey, hey, I'm gonna show you how to carve this back.

Daniel 11:16

Oh yikes. I remember going to a party in kindergarten.

Nikki 11:20

The Marlboro, the cigarette. I know. Oh my gosh.

Daniel 11:24

And the and the and this and the kid, my buddies uh who was having the birthday party already had a BB gun, had like a Rambo knife at like you know, at six or seven years old. And I was like, man, wow. You know, I mean that was I love the 80s back then. Nobody look at that. Like what that kid was like, I want to be a cigarette proof. Look at that. The uh the q-tip in the in the ear. That's kind of brilliant, I think.

Nikki 11:50

Yeah, a little gross, but yeah, that's brilliant for sure.

Daniel 11:53

You have a little thing of wax on the end of it, like make it yellow.

Tim 11:56

There was another funny one in here. Um, this is another one, like this dumb, you know, like if you were the cowardly lion or something for Halloween. Oh, yeah, I was gonna show you this one. Isn't that a pig? Well, I kind of looked over this when it's three little pigs.

Daniel 12:10

It's gotta be three little pigs. Go back up.

Tim 12:12

Oh, yeah.

Speaker 6 12:13

Yeah, no.

Tim 12:14

Is it what's the other one? I don't know. It's a lamb. This one right here is funny because I skimmed over it a minute ago, but but then I remembered like you could buy the costume and it would have the chest, like the cleavage chest on it.

Nikki 12:27

Why would you do that to a kid?

Tim 12:28

Well, it was the eight. Yeah, there's no rules in the there wasn't. There was awesome. I know.

Nikki 12:34

So that little kid's look at the boy in the blue. What is happening there?

Tim 12:38

It's like snuffle up because there's no it is not.

Daniel 12:43

Uh oh, that would be acceptable if he's transitioning to nowadays, you know what I mean? That's a little girl transitioning to a little boy. Look at this one, another pack of cigarettes. And the Trojan family.

Tim 12:54

Oh my god. How is that acceptable? Here's me right here, this Dracula costume. Of course, mine never looked that good. Now this one in the middle, that's that's a little much.

Nikki 13:05

Whoa.

Tim 13:06

Yeah, it is. Hey, in the 80s, though, man, it was okay. I don't know if that was an 80s picture. But yeah, so when I'm I was looking for pictures of just like those real shitty costumes that were like plastic. You you got them at Walmart. Yeah, it was like a pack of yeah, it was a pack.

Daniel 13:22

It came into the mask was on top, and then had the little you turk flipped it around and had the little kid, the model told you what it looked like. You're like, God, I hope I'm the kid.

Tim 13:31

It was really bad because the eyes were like cut out real big. So I remember having like this He-Man mask because I was He-Man one time.

Daniel 13:37

Some some people's eyes are a little closer together, so people are further apart.

Tim 13:41

It's just like creepy looking all the way around, you know. But um, but yeah, so did you so are your kids gonna go trick-or-treating or at least one of them?

Daniel 13:50

I think so. I mean, yeah, from what I'm from what I'm gathering, Bo wants to be uh my youngest, he's playing football, he's a running back, so he wants to be uh uh Cam Scatbow, whatever, the running back for uh New York Giants. Yeah. It's because he's you know, Bo's like small and stocky, and he wants to be like him, I guess.

Tim 14:09

I don't know, but so you've never had so you've never had people like trick-or-treating at your well, I guess they do, you're just not there. Yeah.

Daniel 14:15

I mean, now I think that's what like now, I mean, I don't think we're gonna be able to go to the game because we're gonna, you know, be hanging out and doing that kind of thing. But I think this year probably will be, if I had to guess, will be the first year maybe at least one of us hanging out in the driveway and or whatever, at least staying at home.

Tim 14:33

I think last year was the only time we've ever really done that because years before, after the kids quit wanting to go trick-or-treating, we turned the all the lights off, so nobody would come to the house. Yeah, yeah, I get that. But we would we got a bag of candy last year, and there was like three or four people that came and we had all that candy.

Daniel 14:49

Speaking of bags of candy, my wife got two, like those two bags, two bags from Costco that have like the uh the fruit roll-ups, the gushers. Nice, and the uh the fruit by the foot. Oh, so it's a 60 count, or what is it? No, it's a 90 count each bag. She got two of them. She hid them, right? She's not a great hider, and I found them. Did you get into them? Yeah. Let's just talk about this. Let's just kind of dissect this for a second. Let's do it. Let's do it. Uh so yeah, I did find them, and then I was like, well, if I found them, the kids are gonna find them. So I rehid them, right? Of course, since I know where they're at. Like, all right, you know, I'm I'm good for a little while. I'm like, all right, I'll open a bag and just you know, take one or two here. Did she know it? Did your wife know it? She knew I I was honest. I said I opened up the bag, I found them, I opened up the bag. She goes, Daniel, oh I was like, if I go through them, I'll buy another bag. It's not like I can't replace it. Yeah. She goes, those are from Costco and everybody and they sell out. I'm like, then I'll go next, I'll go next door to Walgreens and I'll buy them. I was gonna say everything. I'll go with the good stuff for me. I don't give a shit. I mean, I love the kids in the neighborhood, but like eat some Snickers and some Kit Kats. I don't care. Yeah. I mean, that's like that's pretty when I think of candy, like those are like my favorite types.

Tim 16:06

Well, you just said I'll get some bad candy, and then you said Snickers and Kit Kats. Those are awesome.

Daniel 16:10

So yeah, I know. I'm not I'm saying, yes, if you're straight chocolate, but like if I if I'm thinking of candy, if I had to be on a desert island with three pieces of candy, that would be those probably those three pieces. Yeah.

Nikki 16:22

I would go for the pumpkin Reese's. Oh, gross. No, I love those. I I love peanut butter, and I love every Halloween when the pumpkin Reese's comes out because it's like double the normal amount of peanut butter that you get in a Reese's.

Daniel 16:36

Yeah. So she so I hide them, and then I'm I'm like, all right, I'll just be good. And so I allow myself three, one of each kind a day, you know, at nighttime. I'll get myself one of each kind and I'll go to bed. And lo and behold, I go through the first bag in about a month. And it makes sense because I'm like, all right, this is 90. I'm taking, you know, three a time. That's you know, three days, that's 90, that's 30, you know, it's about one month at them. Because she got them like two months ago, right? And I'm like, all right, you cannot get into the second bag. You cannot do it. Of course, what do I do? You got in that second bag. I got into the second bag.

Nikki 17:17

Is the second bag gone?

Daniel 17:20

The second bag is gone.

Nikki 17:24

Have you replaced them yet?

Daniel 17:26

No.

Nikki 17:26

Oh, geez.

Daniel 17:27

But in my defense, I feel like there is no defending that, but I felt like I mean, I I mean, I could I could easily eat sit down and eat like 20 of those at a time. So when I say I'm like eating three, one of each kind at a time, I'm really like holding back.

Nikki 17:46

Yeah, extreme restraint.

Daniel 17:47

Yeah, yeah. And my wife's like, you just no self-control. I'm like, I don't know. No, that was extreme. I don't, I don't have.

Tim 17:53

So through these two months, has she known that you've been able to get it?

Daniel 17:55

Yeah, compl completely been utterly honest with her. I mean, but when I finished the second bag, I was like, I mean, it's kind of a joke, but I was like, Yeah, I finished, I finished the second bag. And she goes, I mean, of course she rolled her eyes and did her thing and she knew it was gonna happen though.

Nikki 18:10

No, I know. She knew like so why is she?

Daniel 18:12

You gotta hide them better. You gotta hide them better than that. Yeah. Well, because it's like out of sight, out of mind. You know, if I wouldn't have known it, like like that's the thing. Like, she'll go buying like a thing at Welch's fruit snacks from Costco, like there's like a 90 count in there, and they're gone in like a week and a half.

Tim 18:26

I was gonna say if the kids knew where those bags were, it would have been gone in a week.

Daniel 18:30

Oh, 100%. So it's like there, it's like it's gonna be gone.

Tim 18:35

You know what I mean? Yeah, you say you're welcome. I did you a favor, I protected these bags, yeah, and you would have zero bags, but you have one left now.

Nikki 18:43

You would have had zero bags a month and a half ago, right? But you had control.

Daniel 18:48

Yeah, that's why they didn't sometimes one or two at lunch after lunch. Occasionally, not every day, but occasionally.

Tim 18:55

Yeah. But when you were when you were younger and you go trick-or-treating, like I know the neighborhoods that I went in, it was always just like the shitty candy.

Daniel 19:04

Yeah, well, we lived in a we lived in Creeve Hall growing up and uh up in Nashville, and we lived kind of like how you lived, but we lived like in an on like acre lots, yeah. But it was it wasn't like uh it was like a you know a neighborhood built in the 50s, right? But my parents built their own house on it, but either that's besides the point. But so it wasn't like HOA, the houses were real spread out, there were no sidewalks, so we'd always like you did go to the next you know neighborhood down the way where there were sidewalks, and then you know, everybody else was trick-or-treating and you were safe and you had friends in the neighborhood from school and that and the other, and you kind of just met up and yeah, did the thing.

Tim 19:39

So yeah. It was uh I remember when I was younger, there was a lot more loose candy in my bag. You know, nowadays they don't do that because I guess they were poisoning kids, but they would put like a handful of like candy corn in the like that.

Daniel 19:52

Oh great, yeah. But candy corn still. I think it's far a few between. I not I like me a good candy corn every now and again.

Nikki 19:58

No, I'm not sure.

Daniel 19:59

Maybe like limit yourself to like five or six pieces, but after that, is like eating sugar. I know it's straight corn syrup, yeah. Like hardened corn syrup.

Nikki 20:08

Well, speaking of crappy candy, smarties. When I was little, those are terrible. When I was little, I thought they were so good. I would eat them. But now it's like it's like eating chalk. Oh, yeah. Straight sugar and chalky. It's terrible.

Daniel 20:22

Cigarette candy. Oh yeah. I remember those up there blow on it and the powdered sugar would come out or whatever, or whatever's in there. Look at what they've done to see. They still sell them. You know, they we go to uh Litchfield Beach, South Carolina, and or which is just right there in Polly's Island. And uh they call them the hammock shops, and there's a really big uh candy store in there, and they still sell those cigarettes, uh can't or candy cigarettes or whatever.

Tim 20:47

Bo always gets them. Yeah. Well, your kids are at the age now, like are they interested in going to haunted houses and stuff?

Daniel 20:54

Mac went to one last year with his uh then love interest or girlfriend or girl he was dating, and then that but that's the last. No, not really. We're not really into that. Yeah, well, I guess our family or I I I don't really care about it, but like they don't invite that into that. Like I'm I'm obsessed with true crime and uh mysteries and yeah psychological thrillers and serial killers and all that stuff. So I don't think not like on like in the crazy side of it, just like on the psychological like aspect of it, like how the how can somebody do what they do what they do and the mystery behind it and and whether they've been caught or not, like oh my god, like leak I watched, I just watched uh it's called Horror on the High Desert. And this is about a hiker, or I guess he's uh he's a survivalist guy who his job is like mapping out remote areas in Nevada for like hunters and stuff. But he's also like a survival, like a self-taught survivalist. So he'll go out go out like on these expeditions, you know, multiple days and then come back and whatever. But I guess he's he he ran this blog or whatever, and he came across like this small shack and like out in the middle of nowhere because he's he smelled the the smell of smoke faintly, and he's like, why the hell you know there shouldn't be smoke out here? This, that, and the other. So he goes out there, sees it. He has some intrepidation, doesn't feel right. So it's like but he's three days, he says he's three days into this hike. So he's three days out from where his car was or truck was he starts walking back because he's like spooked out. So he's walking back, you know, he sleeps in in his tent the first night, and he feels like he's being watched or followed. And he's so scared he sleeps with his shoes on in the tent that night because he didn't have his firearm. He was like, you know, I don't know. So if he needs to run, he can run, right? So I'm kind of like just nervous talking about it, to be honest with you. Yeah. So he wakes up in the morning and there's bare footprints around the tent. Spooked out, leaves, nothing happens, you know, has his sense of whatever. So on his blog, he you know, he says, you know, what he sees and this, that, and the other. And I guess his followers are kind of like bullying him, like, no, this is you know, this isn't true. This blah blah blah. Take a picture, blah, blah, blah, tell us the coordinates. And he's all he's always like, No, I'm not gonna tell you the coordinates of this stuff because he's he wants to protect people from not like going out there and killing themselves from you know, exposure and hurting themselves and things of that nature. So he's like, All right, I'm I'll go, I'll go back out there. And he goes, he's like, I'll bring my firearm, and he goes back out there, and all the time well, he's videotaping this, right? So at the end of this documentary, it shows this last videotape of him. And how but how do they get the videotape? Is what's so eerie. So five weeks later, because they they're he's missing, can't find him. So five weeks later, there's a couple camping somewhere, I guess in the vicinity. And his backpack is resting on a shovel in their campsite. It was it was deliberately laid there overnight. And guess what was around the campsite? Barefinger. And what was in that bag was all the stuff and a severed hand, his severed hand. Oh my gosh. Not torn, but cleanly just off. So is the guy still missing? And the severed hand was clutching the video camera.

Tim 24:53

Oh wow.

Daniel 24:54

And the video camera still had the USB or the flash drive in it. So it had this private eye because this this dude's uh sister, because his mom and dad had passed, and so his sister had hired this private guy uh private eye or whatever, went in to watch the video and described the video. And at the end of this documentary, they showed this video, and I don't know if this is their if it was a true video or if it was like the reenactment. The reenactment of it. So they didn't they didn't say it was the reenactment. I think it was the true video because you can when you hear the guy talking, it's it it sounds just like the guy, yeah. Right? Because he has this like lisp or speech impediment, like it's something weird about him. I don't know. I think he may be like autistic around the spectrum because he was super smart. So I mean not to say that was bad or anything, but just you could you could hear something in his voice, it was just kind of off, kind of like my voice. Just kidding. Uh but uh but anyway, so they they show this video of his last moments, and he goes up and he and he's he uses infrared camera and he's watched watching through his lens at night, so there's no visible light, and he and he's and he he shines it on the shack and it sure as hell shows it, whether it's the real shack or real footage or not. And then all of a sudden, like you know, he sees this this guy, and he's all disfigured. And the best way I can describe it was actually this morning when I was watching Goonies, he almost looked like sloth. Oh, really? But like only one eye was there and the other eye was was not, and he was just completely utterly disfigured, and he could see him, he was like looking around because he could, you know, obviously he's looking at the dark, right? He's just probably listening and looking, or listen this reenactment, or whether it was real or not. I don't, I don't, you know, as far as the video goes. I think everything else was real. Uh but then like you see, he's like you know, in the in the woods, kind of trying to back up, and he sees him and he's and he fires his gun like six times or whatever times and he empties the clip out, and this guy comes, attacks him with a machete and then basically like lights out, like you don't see the rest of the video, but like you see his face. It's crazy. It's it's absolutely and utterly So this is all a true story, all a true story. This guy resided in Ruth, Nevada. Yeah, so I'm like, I actually got on Google Earth last night or this morning, or I think was it yeah, last night, and I was like, I've looked up Ruth Nevada and I was like, okay, three days. I'm thinking to myself, 20 miles a day, that 60 mile radius. So I do draw a 60 mile radius around Ruth. Cause I'm like, what if you could find this cabin?

Nikki 27:37

Oh my god.

Daniel 27:37

Not saying I would ever go out there, but like to solve this weird mystery. And then I was like looking like just for a split second, and I was like, There, they're like, or not even split second, but like 20 minutes. Like, this would take forever. Because even you know, it happened back in 2017, so you'd have to go back in the Google Earth images and look at it then, and like, and it's just the imagery isn't as clear, and I don't know, you just you you would think a boulder might be a a a shack or something, you know what I mean, or an outcropping of something might be, but like it it is, and there's two other there's two other moot documentaries, but that you have to buy them on Amazon. I'm thinking about buying them or not retinum or whatever that they think might be related to this this this Gary, what I don't know his last name, but um I like just yeah, I mean just yeah, all that stuff fascinates me.

Tim 28:29

Like I'm I'm all for like a true kind true crime and a mystery.

Daniel 28:33

Yeah, yeah. Like, but like wow, like uh a remote hermit disfigured wants to be left alone, and and somebody comes across him, he's like, Fuck you, what are you doing? I'm gonna kill you now, I guess.

Nikki 28:44

I mean, okay, that all makes sense, but the weird part is him putting the backpack with the hand at the other camper's site. That was the one that's gonna be a good one.

Daniel 28:54

And then the thing was, well, I forgot to mention this too, is the truck was moved. So the truck was 55 miles away from roof, and they found blood or fingerprints all over his fingerprints in the truck. And guess what was around the truck? Bare footprints.

Nikki 29:11

Interesting.

Daniel 29:12

Yeah, so this guy, if he was disfigured or not, knew how to operate a vehicle. Yeah, wasn't you know going around killing people?

Nikki 29:19

Uh I mean slippers.

Daniel 29:22

It makes me want to watch the second you mean bare feet, like the prints of bare feet, like you're walking around with bare feet, like no shoes on.

Nikki 29:29

Whoa, I thought you were bare legs.

Daniel 29:32

No, no, no, no, no. Like an actual, like you're walking around with no shoes.

Nikki 29:35

Got it.

Daniel 29:36

Okay, you're truly like, oh, there's a footprint of bare feet, not a bear's foot.

Nikki 29:41

I was looking for a connection between a bear and the distant.

Daniel 29:44

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Sorry. And that's what they are saying. Like that the the arm was not torn off, like it wasn't like an animal. It was clean. It was a clean, severed cut.

Tim 29:53

Yeah. Yeah, I like that kind of stuff. I always end up there and watch it and sometimes it sometimes it drives you crazy. Crazy because you want answers, but there's just no answers to some of these cold cases.

Daniel 30:04

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And then and then too, like, I don't I mean, there is that show on Netflix called Mindhunters that kind of got behind the psychology in the 70s.

Tim 30:12

You know, they're talking about they're bringing it back. I would hope so because it was a great well, it was a great show.

Daniel 30:17

There was only three two or three seasons of it. I think they left it open to come back because they're they were mirroring there's a parallel storyline of the of of BTK and and the uh the beginning of his of his story.

Tim 30:30

There's a new BTK um I haven't watched it yet. Watch it. It's like the from in the the perspective of the his daughters or something. It's pretty it's pretty intense. Btk, you want to tell Nikki about BTK stands for uh bind, torture, and killing.

Daniel 30:48

He was the BTK killer.

Nikki 30:50

Okay.

Daniel 30:50

So this guy was a serial killer? He was a serial killer. I don't forgot his his real name. I don't remember. Uh just a normal. Yeah, probably a good thing. But either way, um, oh Dennis Rader.

Tim 31:01

Yeah, Dennis Rader.

Daniel 31:02

Dennis Rader. So he would go around. I guess he would prey on women, or that would be his whatever, but I guess he his that was a sexual fantasy of his was, I guess, controlling and binding and torturing and then killing them and killing women through strangulation. And he finally got caught through because he wanted to, and the crazy thing was he was a leader of his church. He was married, had th two, two or three kids.

Tim 31:34

He was like a deacon of the church or something.

Daniel 31:36

Wow. He worked for the city as like a uh like a can like a controller guy, like or uh ordinance guy. He like he would go around and be like, hey, your your lawn's too tall, you need to put it. I'm gonna write you a ticket, you know, a control freak, right?

Nikki 31:50

Yeah.

Daniel 31:51

So uh that tracks psychologically. So he so but he would he would correspond with the news agency and the police because he was just a narcissist, right? They all are thinking they can't get caught. He they did you know he actually went to the news station and visited and like asked questions about it because they say a lot of these serial kill or a lot of these killers want to put themselves back in to the investigation or they want to be near it, they want to be around it.

Tim 32:24

It gives them another thrill.

Nikki 32:25

Yeah.

Tim 32:26

Well, it gives them another thrill, and it also they can kind of see where they're at on things because they're they're constantly trying to push the boundary. Right. And stay one step ahead.

Daniel 32:35

It's that count and mouse game.

Tim 32:36

Well, that and then also the that thrill of it. They're trying to get that bump of adrenaline or or that dopamine hit that they're getting out of all that.

Daniel 32:43

So I think I think the way, you know, when after he visited that news station, he sent another letter. He got some sort of Well, she needs to know that like he was he was always sending letters to Yeah, he was always sending letters, but after that visit, he sent another letter, and then they knew that he had been because he had he, I guess he only sent information that he that they knew that they, you know, that they somebody in that group was there, or somebody had been in the building, I guess, so to speak, recently, or or this, that, and the other. I don't even know. Either way, just just crazy. And they ended up catching the guy because he was like, be honest with me, because they he was corresponding. He's like, if I correspond by floppy disk, can you trace it? And they said, No, we can't trace it, uh, which is a lie. And they said, Well, you know, I think they put an ad in the classified to respond to him, you know, and code like no, we can't trace it. So he sends in a floppy, they trace it to his church, and then the rest is history. Yeah.

Tim 33:42

It was uh pretty it was what 80s um was it 80s?

Daniel 33:48

Well, that's the thing, is is they're trying to figure out what other victims, if there are there was 10 victims, and he and and that's what this kind of that Netfli Netflix show is. I don't want to ruin it for you, but I think what what her his daughter's doing is trying to recall and go back in her history, you know. Yeah, because all this was happening like Yeah, when she was a child.

Tim 34:09

When she was a kid, and and they and I think that they thought that there were some other murders connected to him, but well that's what they're trying to figure out is like cause you know, because he he to he took a break for a long time, you know, while he was apparently raising his family.

Daniel 34:23

Yeah. Uh was able to stave off that that, you know what's the word I'm looking for, that the bad thing that he wants to do. Yeah. Uh and just not eating three pieces of candy a day like I did. So uh, but anyways, uh he and then um and then I guess he started back up, but but I guess they're trying to figure out before you know she was born, or I guess maybe even Mary.

Tim 34:47

I mean, I don't even know. You know what's interesting about all these serial killers, and I think the reason that I like watching that is because you know, they're they're typically pretty smart. And because think about this. If somebody goes and commits a crime right now, if you really think it through, you can probably cover up your crime if you can be straight faced about it. It's probably a little bit harder now with all the digital traces of everything. I'm just saying that if you were committing a crime 90s and before, I think it's if you were smart, you could probably get away. But that's what the problem with it is like all of people are dumb about it. It's it's like the telltale heart. Edgar Allan Poe's uh telltale heart, like is most of the time it's like you can't, you're just like you can't hold in that you've done this thing. But like think about you have to be you have to be calm and collected in the situation to I'm saying that those people that do these crimes are are able to get over that part of the Oh yeah, because they're psychopathic. Yeah, because they're psychopaths. Yeah, they can compartmentalize and they're you know, they revisit the murder and be like, oh what yo, what's going on here? Yeah, man. But yeah, the BTK, man, he was um he was an interesting one because it was in our time.

Daniel 36:09

Well, and what was so uh uh fascinating to me too was when he was when he got up and and and described everything in court, it was like he was it was just like he was sweeping, like he was just tell telling him how we how we cleaned the house. Yeah, like it just like so matter of fact. And I'm just that's what baffles me. Like, and that's part of my interest too, is like, how do you how does somebody get to that point? Are you born that way? Is it like is it is it environment and and a little bit of of weird wiring that you're born with? I mean, is it like totally extra you know innate?

Tim 36:46

Is it like that's why we like mindhunters because mindhunters, it's it's not it's it's just a show, sure it's a drama, but they're trying to dive into like figuring out why these serial killers were doing these things and like their process of thinking and how they're compartmentalizing and all that kind of stuff.

Nikki 37:03

Well, everything is nature and nurture, it's not one or the other. Trauma in early childhood definitely is a factor for a lot of people because in order to go into survival mode, your brain over overcompensates, sure, and it it just shuts things off, you know. So that that's part of the nurture side of it. But a lot of times people are predisposed to that with certain genetics.

Daniel 37:27

Yeah, but I think we all you know go through these feelings and emotions, but we don't go out and fucking murder somebody.

Nikki 37:33

No, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? They've actually shown I've seen maps of um like psychopaths versus regular people, and their entire prefrontal cortex is like turned off, like not even functioning. In your prefrontal cortex is where you have strength, decision making, yeah.

Tim 37:52

Yeah, but even if you didn't have even if you didn't have any of those things firing, like how do you go and physically kill somebody? And then I get like not caring about it afterwards, but that something had to happen to be like, I'm so mad at this person that I'm gonna kill them.

Nikki 38:07

Well, that's the prefrontal cortex. You don't have um, you don't have it makes you more impulsive if you don't have that restraint.

Daniel 38:14

And that's why men are more impulsive too.

Nikki 38:16

If you're if you're mad, you just do it, you know.

Daniel 38:20

You know, the prefrontal cortex doesn't fully develop in a male until they're like 28 or 30.

Tim 38:25

Well, yeah, a lot of these, a lot of these uh serious decision making.

Nikki 38:31

Yeah, I think it's 25. I think some men are probably 28 to 30.

Daniel 38:36

Or 44. Yeah, 44. Yeah, mine developed last year.

Nikki 38:41

Yeah, it's 25. And and you know, even in raising kids, like I get frustrated with, you know, one of our children sometimes who always wants to like do these really big things, and I really am proud of him for wanting to do these big things, but I feel like, man, he's not thinking this through. He's not saving enough to do that, and he's gonna get in a trap later on. And I remember he's not 25 yet. Yeah, he he's working on developing that.

Daniel 39:05

So thinking of the end goal and working back, like all right, yes, how do I yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tim 39:10

It's hard, but it's sick though, man. People do some fucked up stuff, and it it's hard to hard to believe. I mean, we haven't when's the last time what's the most recent serial killer there's been? Um, your mom.

Daniel 39:24

Oh, damn, James is in on it too. Your mom is not safe. May she rest in peace. She is not safe. Rest in peace. You get you gotta have a picture up here somewhere.

Tim 39:36

She'll say that, she'll say that to our kids.

Nikki 39:39

She probably started that happened this morning.

Tim 39:41

Hold on. Though they'll be like she'll they'll be like, Jack will say, So uh are we what are we having for dinner? And he'll say, Your mom, or she'll say, your mom.

Nikki 39:51

So this morning we went to Fairview Donuts and got some Fairview Donuts. There's some up there if you want some. Anyways, um Jack and I were discussing what we were gonna get, and and I was like, Well, we definitely have to get some apple fritters. He said, Your mom's an apple fritter. And then I said, Your mom's an apple fritter. I was like, Oh, wait, that's me. You just said that.

Tim 40:09

What the your mom jokes are strong in the Hollis household.

Nikki 40:12

Man, but it's funny because I tell them to my kids all the time, and they're like, Wait, that's you.

Tim 40:16

Yeah, you're the ma. Did you see when Caroline Levitt said your mom to a reporter? No, did she really? Yeah, she said your mom did.

Nikki 40:26

So a reporter was asking her, Well, who made the decision where that was gonna happen? And she said, Your mom did. Yeah, I was like, I think that was just this past week. She's awesome.

Tim 40:36

Yeah, it was this little level. Yeah, she she gives your shit. She's awesome. She just had a baby, too, I think. So your mom jokes are very uh very strong around here. Well done. I like that. So what else? What anything else? Well, okay, let me ask you this. We're talking about shows.

Daniel 40:50

We just went down through like eight different rabbit holes there. So I mean, in like no structure whatsoever.

Tim 40:55

So sticking to the Halloween theme, okay. Do you want did you do you currently or did you ever watch like are you into all the on the all the horror movies?

Daniel 41:04

No, that's the one that see again, that's kind of where I draw the line. Like that with like the blood and guts and the and the gore. Like, I started watching that uh, what's the one that came out recently? Um about uh I don't know. About the chain the inspiration behind the chainsaw killer uh Ed Dean.

Tim 41:23

Ed Dean. Yeah, it yeah.

Daniel 41:25

I hadn't I started watching that, hadn't finished it. I just that that kind of stuff, I don't, I don't kind of more I mean even though it's a true story.

Tim 41:32

I'm talking about like horror movies like Friday the 13th. No, I don't know.

Daniel 41:36

Or Freddy Kruger or Jason. No, I don't I don't know.

Tim 41:40

I was gonna say that I I've never watched any of those movies because when I was younger, my mom told me I couldn't watch it. Me too. And so I've never seen them.

Daniel 41:47

And I they just scared the shit out of me. I didn't want to, I didn't want to be scared as a kid.

Tim 41:51

I know.

Daniel 41:52

I mean American Werewolf in Paris. Remember that one?

Tim 41:54

I've never seen it, but I know what you're talking about.

Daniel 41:56

I think it's a great, I think it's like a I think it's a kind of a comedy horror, but I remember seeing that as a kid and it just frightened the shit out of me.

Tim 42:04

The only horror movies that I've seen is like the Scream series, but that was because it was like 99 or 98 or 99 when that came out, so I was more And that's not like when I when I'm saying horror, I'm thinking like disfigured people like I'm seeing I'm saying horror genre. Okay, all right. And I don't mean like I'm not I'm not saying like I don't want to watch that shit either, like any of these gory things. I'm just saying like these dumb like Jason movies.

Daniel 42:32

No, to answer your question, then no, broadly.

Tim 42:34

Do your kids watch that? No, I don't allow that. Yeah, I don't need I didn't either.

Daniel 42:38

Again, we my my family doesn't like to move on. But there's a lot of parents.

Tim 42:42

There's a lot of parents that that watch that shit with their kids.

Daniel 42:45

No, I we're not one of those and not to if our listeners out there are one of those families, not to knock you, but we don't. I just we just that's just not us.

Tim 42:52

No, I get it. I get it.

Daniel 42:53

We have family time, you have family time. Yeah.

Tim 42:56

I don't I'm not saying yeah, you're mean to the the maybe seven of the 14 listeners are not gonna be happy about that. They're gonna be extremely happy.

Nikki 43:04

I will say, as a parent who, you know, we we watched what our kids watched. Um, you could always tell the friends who were able to do and watch whatever they wanted.

Daniel 43:14

Oh, sure. They're just that's why you went to their houses so you can smoke cigarettes upstairs and stupid shit like that.

Nikki 43:21

You know those friends when they come over. You just know they're always trying to push your kids into like, well, let's just watch this. I don't think my parents will, yeah, let's just do it. You know, there's something dark that comes over with them.

Tim 43:33

That's why you kick them out of the house and say you ain't coming over no more. Well, not just with that kind of kind of stuff, but we were we we always kind of had a pretty protective force field around our family.

Daniel 43:43

Yeah, of course. Why why you that's your responsibility as a parent?

Tim 43:46

Yeah, that's true.

Daniel 43:48

Absolutely. I mean, that's that's the first thing you sign up for.

Tim 43:51

Yeah, we got three good kids.

Nikki 43:52

I mean, our kids are amazing.

Tim 43:54

Your kids are getting older too, Daniel, and you'll see how you've you're you how you've raised them or how you got an extra uh pouch.

Daniel 44:01

How how Erica's raised them. Yeah, Erica's done a great job. I just sit on the sidelines and watch. What are these? Sixers? Mm-hmm.

Tim 44:10

Honey lemon? You'll be fine with it, Daniel. Don't get too emotional about that. You remember the can a can old? It's the only last one. There's a bunch more.

Nikki 44:22

Tim Hollis is never out of his supplies.

Tim 44:25

Look at Frank over there watching you. Hey, Frank. How are you doing, little man? I like your sweater.

Nikki 44:32

Put him in your lap so that's the way the viewers can see him. Come on.

Tim 44:37

They can see is it a Halloween sweater? Is Frank scared of me? He's scared, he's not scared of anything.

Nikki 44:45

You just said Frank's not scared of anything.

Tim 44:47

He's not.

music 44:48

Come on.

Tim 44:48

He's not.

Nikki 44:49

He's afraid of everything. He's an anxious little thing.

Tim 44:52

Frank. So what else you got going on, Daniel?

Daniel 44:55

You've been busy with work? Yeah, busy with work. It's good. Uh came back from fall break, went up to my parents, have a little cabin house, mountain house. I mean, they call it a mountain house, but it's not really a mountain. I mean, I guess it's a mountain because I think a mountain's technically over a thousand feet. But uh up in Grundy County, kind of near Swannee, uh, near uh Savage Gulf. It's right on the back edge of Savage Gulf, Savage Gulf. So it's really pretty up there. So I just went up there like on a Saturday and did absolutely nothing for like three or four days. And that was what, like two or three weeks ago? Yeah, and then came back, and then you know, obviously on vacation, work doesn't just like disappear. Right. Right. It's always gonna be there. Lots to catch up on. So it's almost like, man, what's the point of vacation if it's like you're doing double time when you get back? It's almost like you just want to pepper a little bit in when you're on vacation.

Nikki 45:43

That's what Tim Hollis does.

Tim 45:45

Daniel does estimating at work, and so that's why when he was talking about that documentary, he was like on Google Earth measuring the 20, you know, like it's just ingrained into him.

Nikki 45:56

Yeah, to scope out the property, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Daniel 45:59

So it was uh, but it was a good no, it was a good trip. And then we put the rooftop tent on our truck or sequoia and uh let the boys sleep in it outside and they like that. Perfect weather for that.

Tim 46:11

Yeah, it was really fun. So what do you think about this dramatic fall just coming back with a vengeance? Like it's 40s at night.

Daniel 46:19

Well, we had football last Saturday and it was 85 degrees. Yeah, and then all of a sudden, you know, Sunday, Monday rolls around. I was like, I think we're kind of done with that.

Tim 46:27

Here it comes. The foot the the leaves are falling a lot around here right now in the Nashville area.

Daniel 46:32

It's a beautiful drive up here. I didn't see a crane to tear up on the way. I looked, but I didn't see one. That's what Mike is always giving you shit about. I know what the hell because and the guy that has wants a bear tattoo with a a tuxedo is giving me shit. Yeah, for because I teared up on a personal level and got and opened up about it on the podcast. He's giving me help. I know, I know. Well, If anybody, if anybody in our fin group is gonna be a serial killer, it's him because he's emotionless. Well, the this that's for you, Mike. Do you think I think James is?

Nikki 47:07

I'm just proud of you for for getting your retaliation in.

Daniel 47:10

Finally, I'm I'm usually the nice guy.

Tim 47:12

I know. I typically am. I feel bad about it because there when we called you that day, we we should call Mike here in a second.

Daniel 47:18

If he's woken up, oh he's putting all that stuff together last night, sending the screenshot. I'm at work at five o'clock. I'm like, well, sorry, bud. When they were that was me last week, bro.

Nikki 47:28

Welcome to life.

Tim 47:29

When they were all on when they were on here that day, giving you know, talking shit about you or giving you shit. I was like, I gotta I gotta listen to that then. Why, why, why no? You were on the phone when it was happening.

Daniel 47:41

I was in the midst of making I was making dinner. James knows what I'm talking about. You know, you like you're in it, but you're not in it.

Nikki 47:48

Right.

Daniel 47:48

Yeah. All right, let's call you guys are having a good time, and I felt bad, and because that was the second time I canceled, and I just felt bad.

Nikki 47:57

You know what? There's grace I'm getting the world, including Daniel.

Daniel 48:01

But at least I told them that they could do it without me and I was okay with it. Yeah. I could have been like, no, guys, you're not gonna do it. Yeah. I think Tim or Joseph would have done something like that.

Nikki 48:09

Yeah, I don't think I don't think there's any reason for you to feel bad. You're here now.

Daniel 48:13

Thank you. Thank you. I like her. She's she's I'm gonna add her to my prayer list. Sweet. When you know you made it with me.

Nikki 48:26

Nice.

Tim 48:27

We'll just call every phone he's got.

Daniel 48:30

Hi, if you record your name and reason for calling. Oh, he said.

Nikki 48:35

He's screening you.

Daniel 48:36

Oh, hell yeah, he's screening you because you know he's gonna be on. What? You better answer that phone, boy.

Tim 48:45

You better get out of bed, boy. He's not gonna answer the phone. He ain't gonna answer. We could call Joseph so you can question him while he's being a dick. I know.

Daniel 48:55

You're mile wide inch deep, his wealth of knowledge.

Tim 49:00

Yeah, that's true.

Daniel 49:02

His hair is so long. I saw him when I went went into the office for a meeting. I mean, it is really long.

Nikki 49:07

Him and Jack were comparing their hair length, seeing who's his longest.

Daniel 49:11

He's probably changing out the transmission in the Corvette. Maybe we get Rico on the line. Yeah. Suave. You get it?

Tim 49:18

Rico Suave.

Daniel 49:19

Rico Suave. He's not gonna answer too. It's 9 30. These people are sleeping. Why are they sleeping? I don't know. I was up at 5 30 this morning. I know. I was ready to roll.

Speaker 3 49:31

Hello? I'm assuming I'm on the podcast.

Daniel 49:33

No, you're not. No, you're not. You're not. And nobody's died.

Nikki 49:36

No, nobody's here. You're all alone.

Speaker 3 49:38

Well, I just assume I just assume somebody died.

Daniel 49:40

You know what happens when you assume, Joseph, you make an ass out of you and me.

Speaker 3 49:44

Yeah, this is the second time this conversation's happened today because Rico and Sam just had the same conversation about assuming and yeah.

Tim 49:51

Well, that's how you that's what happens when you assume. Well, before we go any further, Daniel would like to have would like to say something to you.

Daniel 49:59

Why is it about him being a bitch? Oh man. So this is probab pretty much probably what he said the whole time about me. I would basically they told me that you and Mike talk shit about me, Joseph. There's me hitting the microphone, and you're not here to hit me on the hand. Well, tap tap tap tap.

Speaker 3 50:15

I would like to state for the record that if you'd shown up to the podcast at any of those times, I would have said it to your face. I would have said, Daniel, you're a bitch.

Daniel 50:22

Okay. Well, I appreciate that. Appreciate the honesty. Well, I think 100 back. Joseph is probably the most aggressive person I've ever met in my entire life. He is pretty aggressive.

Nikki 50:33

Aggressive and foul.

Daniel 50:34

Yeah, he is foul.

Nikki 50:35

Much like your mom.

Daniel 50:36

Joseph. Oh Joseph, when are you gonna cut your hair? I was just commenting when he's when I saw you for that meeting the other day that it was really, really long. And I I mean, not that I don't like it, I was just curious.

Speaker 3 50:50

I I'm I'm going for Willie Nelson braids down to my waist. Yes! I love it. Have you ever tried the braids yet? He was on this podcast one time with him. You know, Daniel, if you'd watch the podcast, you would know all these answers.

Daniel 51:02

All right, just think of me as like an actor, and I'm not gonna sit there and watch my own movie, right? Do actors do that? These are the ones that you're not in. Well played, Jess. That's true. Well done, Chelsea. All right, you won this battle. I'll get you the next time. You got Rico there with you?

Speaker 3 51:19

Yeah, yeah, look, I'll even put you on screen. Rico, you're on the podcast.

Daniel 51:23

What else, now?

Nikki 51:24

What's up, Rico?

Daniel 51:25

Hey Rico, Suave.

Tim 51:28

How are you doing? I'm good. How are you? When are you coming over so we can talk about your your food problems?

Rico 51:35

Oh, it's not gonna be a racist thing.

Tim 51:37

Yeah, we'll we'll talk about your race too. That's fine.

Rico 51:40

Oh, okay.

Tim 51:41

Rico is black for the for the viewers and listeners.

Nikki 51:44

Your mom is black.

Speaker 3 51:48

Rico's mom isn't even black. That joke doesn't fit with anybody in this conversation.

Rico 51:53

My mom is not black, actually. She's uh from the Caucus Mountains, like you all. Like uh like you all. I feel like just assuming from the other end of the phone that everyone over there is um of the uh European descent.

Tim 52:10

The you're you mean like Caucasian?

Rico 52:14

Yeah, the Caucus Mountains. The Caucus Mountains.

Tim 52:17

All right. Well, we're gonna leave y'all alone. Daniel just wanted to tell Joseph that he was a bitch.

Rico 52:22

We tried to call it he didn't even say it. I thought Joseph said Daniel was a bitch.

Tim 52:26

You're a bitch, Joseph.

Rico 52:28

There it is. There we go, Daniel.

Tim 52:29

I love you guys. There we didn't have time for you to see you. Well, there you go.

Nikki 52:34

He came in swinging on that phone call.

Tim 52:37

Why?

Nikki 52:37

He barely had a word in and he was already putting you down.

Tim 52:40

Try to just be nice. Well, that's what that's what Joseph is uh he is aggressive from time to time. He is from time to time.

Daniel 52:47

I mean, but when we see each other in person, he just gives me the world's biggest hug. But then you're just strange for him because he doesn't hug anybody.

Tim 52:53

Nobody will hug me. So yeah. You you love the ones you hate. Well, my Mike's not here to so that we can call him. So that's fine. That's all good. Well, you got any plans for um for uh the remainder of the year? We're in the third quarter of the year, so for us it's kind of like the it's do- or die season right now. Yeah, it is. I mean, we're busy, busy, busy. It is very busy.

Nikki 53:18

We've had we have had parties at our house every single weekend this month.

Daniel 53:23

Uh-uh.

Nikki 53:24

Today is a second baby shower, and then another weekend we had a birthday party.

Daniel 53:28

Like we've been a baby shower today?

Nikki 53:30

Yeah.

Daniel 53:31

We do. I got a brick project I'm gonna do when I get home today. A brick project. What are you doing? So that you know, you know how sometimes when you stuff we have these cement or you know, the the like your driveway, how it's that aggregate. I don't know what you call that. Yeah, aggregate. But uh but there's like a a brick border that goes around this this the stoop of the the front doorstep, right? And it's been coming off. So I gotta replace the the basically I chipped off all the old mortar. I'm gonna chip off the a little bit more of the layer, the base layer, and then try to try my hand at some masonry. Well, that doesn't sound very fun. No, that's gonna be all right though.

Tim 54:13

Yeah, well, Nikki's been uh she's been working at Jets a couple days a week. Oh, sweet.

Nikki 54:18

Yeah, so my cousin Pat bought Jets and Bellevue. Shout out, Pat. Hello Jets. So he bought Jets and Bellevue back in July, I think it was June, June, yeah. Yeah, and then uh, you know, I told him because you know I'm not working, so I'm just She's fully semi-retired. Fully semi-retired.

Daniel 54:34

That's awesome.

Nikki 54:35

Fully semi-retired, yeah. So you're working there, you you so what I did was like back over, yeah, back back in the summer when he first bought it. I was like, Well, I'm not working, so if you ever need help, holler at me. So, like a month ago, he messaged me in the middle of the week. He was like, Is there any way you can drive this weekend? I was like, sure. So it's so funny because like I go up there and I work with a chunk of guys who are all between 18 to 25.

Daniel 55:00

Isn't it hilarious?

Nikki 55:01

And it's really, it's really fun. It's like being at home with my boys, you know, except for my boys are all moving out now.

Daniel 55:06

So um yeah, you're like the mother hen of the group.

Nikki 55:09

Yeah, so like well, yeah, except for my occasional your mom jokes.

Daniel 55:12

Yeah, well, that makes you fit right in then. Yeah, I fit right in.

Nikki 55:15

But it's so fun. So, like two nights a week, I'm delivering pizzas. Awesome, and I've gotten to where I'm starting to like learn how to make them too. And my little brother, who's 25, just started working there too.

Daniel 55:25

I'm sure that's good for you guys.

Nikki 55:26

So I'm working with my brother and my cousin. It's really fun.

Tim 55:30

She never brings any pizza home.

Nikki 55:31

No, I don't. I did bring you wings a couple of times.

Daniel 55:33

Oh, there you go. Yeah, every time you mention their ranch, the ranch is they make it in-house. I know we will go there and like they think we're ordering a pizza, and we're like, no, we just want a bottle of ranch and get the hell out of here.

Tim 55:46

I always tell people the best ranch is jets because I used to work there at that same one with I need to find out the recipe. Well, it's very easy. I know it, I know it's very easy, but their ranch is the best. It's phenomenal.

Nikki 55:58

Well, and also they make all their dough in-house, it's never frozen.

Daniel 56:02

Oh, that's huge, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like Papa John's. I think Papa John's is that way too. Possibly. I don't know. Domino's, maybe something. I don't remember never frozen. Maybe that's Wendy's. Maybe that's Wendy's. I used it was, yeah.

Tim 56:14

Never frozen patties. Yeah. I used to work at Jets back, hell, it's probably been what, about 20 years ago now?

Nikki 56:21

Long time.

Tim 56:21

15, 20 years ago, I was working that that Jets because like I I've said this before on here. I know how to do two things. I know how to do landscaping and I know how to make pizzas. Yeah. And so me and Pat used to have a really good time like making pizzas on the line together. You know how it is in that industry, it's like busy as shit, just like chaos and then nothing. Yep. And then there's nothing and then there's chaos. Just the rest of the restaurant industry.

Daniel 56:45

Yeah, it's very you got your peak hours, and it's like, yeah.

Nikki 56:49

Pat told me last night that Halloween is their busiest night of the year. And so far, I'm the only driver he's got. So he said, anybody wants to come drive, come drive. And he said, Tell Tim if he wants to come in. Every single week, he's like, Tell Tim if he wants to come in.

Tim 57:03

Part of Pat having her there is so he can like he's trying to get to me because he wants me to come and make pizzas with him.

Nikki 57:10

Yeah, they always had a great time.

Tim 57:12

You gotta that'd be cool. Well, the problem is is the thing that's changed since 20 years ago is I can't be on my feet that amount of time. Yeah. It's just too much for standing on them. Even if I had like one of those cushion pads and stuff. Well, they do have those cushion pads, but it's still not enough. Yeah, I know like usually I'm good for standing for like 10 or 15 minutes, but then I gotta sit down because my because I'm fat and my feet hurt. Gotcha. So, but it's okay. Yeah, it's fine.

Daniel 57:37

I delivered pizzas for a week a week. Uh kind of the or for my uh buddy and my and my dad's friend Jim Rigby used to uh own pizza nizza.

Tim 57:48

Oh yeah.

Daniel 57:49

Right on right off of Cool Springs Boulevard, corner of Moores and Franklin Road, kind of in that shopping center, right across the street from that new development or caddy corner.

Tim 57:58

Yeah.

Daniel 57:59

Uh kind of where that Walgreens is on the corner. Pizza Nizza. Yeah, man. So I delivered pizza during spring break, I think for a week, like in the evenings, and that was back pre cell phone, and you had to look at the map and figure it out and plan your route and figure it out.

Tim 58:16

Fucking print that shit off on map quest.

Daniel 58:18

Not even that, like just write it down on fucking scratch paper, turn left here, turn right here. You had to know the city.

Nikki 58:23

That's what's you got experience. We can use you next Friday.

Daniel 58:27

I dude, I'm telling you. What's the what's the uh the radius that he services?

Nikki 58:31

Technically, it's a five mile radius, but it's like five miles straight radius from the store. So sometimes some of those places will be like 10-15 minutes away, but usually not more than that. Usually most of them are like within the 10-minute drive.

Tim 58:47

That's cool. Yeah, yeah, it's fun. Uh it's it's crazy now. Like, I didn't realize that a lot of those delivery places use DoorDash and stuff.

Daniel 58:55

Yeah, 100%. Like that's and that's what I'm that's where granted, you know, when you're using a delivery person's trade from the entity itself, it's it could still get shady if they choose to be shady. But like when it goes to a third party like that. Yeah. I there's something, there's something like to me that's kind of weird. Uh I got this dude dropping off my McDonald's and Big Mac that he just went to get for me. And Lord knows what he could have done to that sandwich in in the time. And I know they can do that at the store if they want to.

Tim 59:27

We talked about this in the on the last podcast about like DoorDash and that kind of stuff. Like, I I don't know.

Daniel 59:32

Like you know, like you, he may just be having it, or she may just be having a bad day and just do something weird and take it out on you or your food or something like that. And I'm just like, you could be the nicest person, and and you know, he just I don't know, got a speeding ticket or something, or got a car wreck and fucked this person spitting their food. I'm just saying, I don't know. But like I to me, it's just I don't know. I think to me, that's the epitome. I I guess delivery would be lazy. You could say that's the Lazy too, but like door door. I mean, it's one thing where the place, you know, consistently offers, yeah. All right, great, pizza's livers, great, you know. McDonald's, it doesn't live, so we gotta go get it, right? It's not like, all right, we're just gonna DoorDash McDonald's now because we can. I'm not gonna pay the extra five bucks and then you're gonna tip the guy. I mean, that's just so much that's exactly what I said about it.

Nikki 1:00:20

From the business perspective, specifically what I've heard Pat talk about jets is like there's times where he has to use it because he doesn't have a driver, but he says, I don't want to use it at all because when when he orders DoorDash to take a delivery for him, there's no personalization to it, no idea how long that's gonna take to get there. Are they doing other deliveries? Like, are they stopping at the store? Like, you don't know, but when you have your own drivers, and the integrity of the product by the time it gets to your door. Exactly, because as soon as it comes out of the oven, delivery, all right, I got it. It's gonna be in a hot bag. Yeah, yesterday I was delivering a pizza that was so hot. I mean, like I had multiple deliveries because Fridays are busy, so it's like I'll do two if they're close together at the same time. One of the ones I was pulling out of the bag at the house after I got there, 10 minutes from the store, was still steaming to the point that the inside of the bag was getting wet.

Daniel 1:01:14

Yeah, yeah.

Nikki 1:01:14

And I was like, that's fresh.

Daniel 1:01:16

There you go.

Nikki 1:01:16

You can't get that with DoorDash.

Daniel 1:01:18

Jets fresh. Yeah.

Nikki 1:01:19

Jets fresh.

Tim 1:01:20

Bellevue location number is Yeah. If you're in the Bellevue area, go check out Pat at Jets. So yeah.

Nikki 1:01:28

Oh, speaking of which, my sister Kimmy put in a big order last night for pickup. You want to know what name she put it under? Mike Roch.

Daniel 1:01:38

Oh, Mike. Oh, Kimmy.

Tim 1:01:41

That's Mike Crotch. Yeah. That's hilarious. Yeah, that's uh no, it's not hilarious.

Nikki 1:01:48

It's not, it's just that's old school funny kids these days. Do they even come up with that stuff anymore? I feel like that was more our generation.

Tim 1:01:54

Crank Collins. Even the whole your mom thing. I remember the reason that we do the your mom thing because it was so redneck and nasty when we were kids that like it was the awful, but now it's like we do it. So is it like what's the I don't know if they do it anymore?

Daniel 1:02:09

They get all these weird TikTok trends. I don't even keep up with it. I I can't, I can't even like what do you mean weird TikTok trends? Yeah, what is that? I don't know.

Tim 1:02:16

Do you know what it is?

Nikki 1:02:17

It officially means nothing. There's no meaning behind it, it's just a thing people say.

Daniel 1:02:22

See, Mike Texas literally it's like you saying, I don't know.

Nikki 1:02:26

So if you do there's yeah, it's it's there's nothing nothing. It means nothing.

Daniel 1:02:31

I'm just gonna hang out with it.

Nikki 1:02:32

All right, now a lot of their slang does mean things, but that one in particular means nothing.

Tim 1:02:37

See, that's pointless.

Nikki 1:02:38

Yeah, just a waste of breath. Yes.

Tim 1:02:40

Well, I just did a Google search here. The meaning of 6-7 is largely nonsensical, yeah, and derives from a viral internet meme popular with generation alpha and younger teens. It has no single fixed definition and is ambiguous nature as part of the joke. Okay, so it just so it just fucking did what it was supposed to do to me. It's supposed to like what does that mean? Yeah, it's fuck with your brain, yeah.

Nikki 1:03:05

Yeah, it's making you think you're you're not getting something, but there's nothing to get.

Tim 1:03:11

I mean, are we that are is that where we're at?

Daniel 1:03:13

As humanity, it scares me, but you know, our parents probably said the same thing when we were listening to Ravana and Yeah, well, that's true. I know that for sure. But the butthole surfers and shit like that.

Tim 1:03:24

The butthole surfers.

Daniel 1:03:25

Oh my god, my son's listening to the butthole surfers.

Tim 1:03:27

I made this comment to Nikki the other day. We went and saw Mumford and Sons on Wednesday. Oh, how was that? It was fantastic, it was amazing. It was a really like what I was telling her though is back when we were younger, it's like you knew how good a band or something was doing because when you flip it on MTV, how much play they're getting on the top shows and all that. So Mumford Sons, like they had an album this year and I listened to it and I think it's great. But I'm like, I figured that not a lot of people were gonna be going to Mumford and Sons. We get there and it's fucking packed on a Wednesday night. Bridgestone. Good, fucking packed, deserved. And uh, and it's like, how are how are people? I guess the social media kids are like following band pages and stuff like that. But they're all over the place. I was just so surprised at like it was fucking packed there. Yeah, and it was a it and it was a great show, it was a fantastic show. That's cool.

Daniel 1:04:19

I've never I've never seen them live.

Nikki 1:04:22

I mean, the main dude was like running into the audience and everything. Oh wow it was it was really cool. They had like intimate moments and like a mini stage in the middle of the arena, and then they had like big on stage stuff with like fire and and like the the sparkler curtain basically coming down and like this disintegrating on the pyrotechnics were there. It was it was really cool, but there was a lot of big moments, and then there was a lot of really sweet small moments, and then him running into the crowd and running halfway up the bleachers, even in the back. Like it was awesome.

Daniel 1:04:57

That's cool.

Nikki 1:04:57

Lady Wilson jumped in and did some songs with them, and their opener was great, which is not usual. Like normally a lot of opener bands aren't that, but uh what was it?

Tim 1:05:08

Sierra Sierra Sierra of something Sierra Farrell.

Nikki 1:05:13

Yeah, she was actually really good. That's cool, and then she came back and did a song or two with them later. That's cool.

Tim 1:05:18

Well, I have some unfortunate news that I just found right now. What happened? The whole podcast video is not here. What do you mean? It got deleted, so people will just have to listen to this one.

Nikki 1:05:31

Uh well, they won't see the bad lighting.

Tim 1:05:33

Yeah, there you go.

Nikki 1:05:33

There you go.

Tim 1:05:34

I started re-recording it now, so maybe it'll pop up somewhere.

Nikki 1:05:38

But is it one of those issues where like you've lost a video, but you can go in the back end and find it?

Tim 1:05:43

No, I think this one's gone, which is a good thing that I have the backup as usual. There you go. So but yeah, anyway, it was a good show. Yeah, and um, yeah.

Nikki 1:05:53

They were fantastic. We've seen them before, but this was ten times better than we've seen them before.

Daniel 1:05:59

Yeah. I've never really been into lab music. I mean, like I enjoy music, but it's never been like, man, I gotta go see this guy. I gotta go see this guy.

Tim 1:06:07

Well, I'm not like really like that anymore because like it's so expensive. Yeah, like even sitting, we bought the nosebleed tickets, and it was like they were nosebleeds.

Nikki 1:06:16

There weren't many rows behind.

Tim 1:06:17

They're like 50 bucks a piece. I can do that. That's fine. But like you get down even not even too much closer, and you're paying like $300 a ticket.

Daniel 1:06:25

I know, I know. It's just to me, it's like it's just crazy. It's crazy.

Tim 1:06:28

Not paying that.

Daniel 1:06:29

Yeah, no, I agree, I agree. I was popping the CDs, sitting the sit in the house.

Nikki 1:06:32

That's right.

Daniel 1:06:35

Pop the CD and sit in the house.

Tim 1:06:36

That's exactly right. Same with football.

Nikki 1:06:38

Except for there's no CDs.

Daniel 1:06:40

All right, or turn on the the iPhone or whatever we listen to now. The digital computer. You just aged yourself, that's okay.

Nikki 1:06:46

We're all the same age.

Tim 1:06:47

Pop the CD on, but what else are you gonna do?

Daniel 1:06:50

I don't know. I don't know. Throw the iPod.

Nikki 1:06:52

I mean, the only CD we have.

Daniel 1:06:53

Throw the stereo on. I mean, otherwise, I'm gonna plug my I'm gonna Bluetooth my phone and my turtle box and listen to some tunes. My turtle box. Not mine, my son's.

Nikki 1:07:04

We actually bought a CD player just last year specifically for Garth Brooks CDs because he doesn't stream anything. So, like, and we never even break them out. But I did get those specifically for Slim Jim over here.

Tim 1:07:18

There you go.

Nikki 1:07:19

Because he likes good old Garth Brooks. Slimmy boys. I like Garth Brooks too.

Tim 1:07:22

Little Garth Brooks. There's nothing, nothing wrong with Lil Garth Brooks. Oh, hell yeah.

Nikki 1:07:27

That was the first that was the first country song I ever liked because when I moved to Tennessee, I was not a fan of country music.

Daniel 1:07:33

I didn't like I didn't start liking Garth until like, yeah, freshman year college. Until around then. I was because I grew up here, born and raised, and I was like, man, I hate country music. I just never liked it. And then slowly, after about 33 years of living here, it slowly grew on me.

Nikki 1:07:48

Yeah, Thunder Rolls was the turning point for me, and I still don't like most of it, but stuff that sounds really classic.

Daniel 1:07:55

Yeah, he's like to me he's like that bridge of old school country, but yet kind of a new pop is age, but he still holds the old school that like a song. It's not like it's not like a you know, he's got the twang and the and the fiddles and all this, and it's not like country rap and like yeah. I like Taylor Swift. Like Taylor when Taylor Swift came out as country, she that was not ever to me, that was never, she was never country. She was always a pop artist, but she was just in the country genre.

Tim 1:08:26

The only country that I like is Chris Stapleton. That is like country, old country, and it's like you know, it's just or uh Sturgil Simpson.

Daniel 1:08:37

Do you like him? Yeah, Sturgil Simpson's cool. Do you like um um I like someone like Randy Travis?

Tim 1:08:45

Yeah, you do like some like Randy Travis. Who's that guy?

Nikki 1:08:51

Uh the Country Roads guy.

Daniel 1:08:52

No. Um he's got the red head. He's red, he's got red hair. Oh, yeah. Uh um, I know you're trying to. Tyler Shieldress.

Tim 1:09:00

No, that's the guy that wrote Yellowstone.

Daniel 1:09:03

Oh, Tyler uh.

Tim 1:09:06

I don't remember.

Daniel 1:09:07

Yeah, I don't know. Either way. So well, Danny boy. All right, brother. Um appreciate y'all having me on. What do you mean, y'all? Genius. I'm a co-host, right? I mean, she helped you build this beautiful palace.

Nikki 1:09:24

Painted this office.

Daniel 1:09:25

I painted this office. She probably helped you. She gave you the energy to build all this beautiful table.

Nikki 1:09:30

I support you in all you do. Yeah, man. Yeah.

Daniel 1:09:38

Alright. See you later. All right, see you guys.