Dec. 17, 2025

The Story of Lloyd and Jerry, the Christmas Elves...

The Story of Lloyd and Jerry, the Christmas Elves...

Click here if you have questions about the show or would like to be a guest! In this laid-back episode, Tim and Daniel catch up over a Saturday-morning podcast, talking through parenting milestones, holiday traditions, and the weird realization that they’re now the adults in the room. They start with lighthearted stories about kids’ basketball games, sleepovers, and Elf on the Shelf — including how children are starting to question whether their parents are just “too lazy” to move the elves. ...

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Click here if you have questions about the show or would like to be a guest!

In this laid-back episode, Tim and Daniel catch up over a Saturday-morning podcast, talking through parenting milestones, holiday traditions, and the weird realization that they’re now the adults in the room. They start with lighthearted stories about kids’ basketball games, sleepovers, and Elf on the Shelf — including how children are starting to question whether their parents are just “too lazy” to move the elves.

The conversation shifts into Christmas traditions: wrapped vs. unwrapped Santa gifts, Christmas Eve versus Christmas morning routines, waiting to decorate trees, and how childhood traditions evolve once you start your own family. From there, the episode takes a more reflective turn as they talk about aging, confidence, grief, and the long list of losses Tim and his family have experienced over the years — especially how holidays tend to amplify that absence.

They also dig into adulthood realities: introversion vs. extroversion, being comfortable in social situations, impostor syndrome, and realizing that most people are just faking confidence. The episode closes with thoughtful discussion about work-from-home life, productivity, interruptions, and how both men have learned to prioritize efficiency, communication, and authenticity over appearances.


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I don't hear anything.

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That's all right.

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But we're good.

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We're live right now.

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All right.

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How's it going?

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Good.

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How are you, bud?

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Good.

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I actually really enjoy our Saturday morning pods.

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Good, good.

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Me too.

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I prefer it like this.

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I agree.

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I like it.

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Everybody wants to come over it when it's dark at night.

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Yeah, I don't like that.

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You get this out of the way and then go have a good day.

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Exactly.

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I got a basketball game at one, so.

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Oh, do you?

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Yeah.

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Who's playing?

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Uh, the Bulls.

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Okay.

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We're in the Grassland uh basketball league, so my youngest is in the tw in the 12U league.

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U-12, 12U, however you want to say it.

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Well, that's fun.

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Yeah, so we're gonna go do that this afternoon, and uh yeah, that's about it.

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He's gonna have somebody sleep over tonight.

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You know?

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The joys of a 44-year-old.

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On and having the having the young young kids.

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Yeah, man.

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Well, they're not getting they're not too much young, uh, too young anymore.

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Well, yeah, the youngest is 11, and then uh obviously Ruru is is 14.

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He's gonna be 15 in September, which is crazy because Mac just started driving.

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He's 16 now.

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I don't know if we if I was on last time uh if he had turned 16 yet.

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I don't think so.

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I think he was just about on the cusp of it.

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When did he turn 16?

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November.

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Yeah, last time we did this, it was before that.

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Yeah, because right around uh Halloween, because you're talking about me eating all the Halloween candy.

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That's right.

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Yeah.

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I forgot about that.

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Yeah, my self-control.

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Well, now that it's uh holiday season, I've been kind of talking to everybody about traditions.

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Okay, I love it.

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The kids all ready for for uh they are, they are.

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We uh we have Elf on the Shelf out, uh Jerry and is Jerry his name?

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Jerry is his name, and then we also have he has a a uh a wife too.

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And then then recently they've had they've added uh a couple children uh along as well.

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So we've got four of them.

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So they so they have to they all change around the house occasionally if if uh if they have the energy to move.

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So sometimes you're saying one every now and then they may be in the same spot, they may be in the yeah.

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Lloyd was my elf.

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Okay, okay.

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And he had a tendency to stay in a lot of places.

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Actually, uh Ruby came up, we were s we were laying in bed, I think it was a couple nights ago, and uh she goes, Bo, ask, ask mom and dad.

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Oh, tell mom and dad what you told me.

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And uh and he was like all embarrassed, like we were like, No, tell us, tell us.

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And and uh I think Ruby had said, you know, why, you know, why do you think the elves haven't moved?

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And I think he said because mom and dad are too lazy or something like that.

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So uh I kind of felt bad about that.

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But uh but I think he's I think he's on the verge of of I I don't even want to say I don't even want to talk about it.

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Okay.

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You know what I mean?

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Like I don't want to ruin it for any any I don't think we have any child listeners out there.

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There's no child listeners, I can pretty much yeah, but he's still writing the note to Santa and and then we kind of have it in our house if um to receive, you must believe.

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Well, that's how it was over at our house.

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Nikki and I um we were talking about this.

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I don't know if it's on there's an episode that we did that I haven't released, but I think it was one that I did release.

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She was giving me a hard time because you know, Lloyd, our elf, was like the biggest part of Christmas to the kids.

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Sure.

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Like I asked them afterwards, I'm like, well, what was your favorite part about Christmas?

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Lloyd was so awesome.

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31 days of Lloyd.

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Yeah, and um, but she was giving me a hard time because she was like, You never even like when you did, when you did move it, you just moved it like from here to there.

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She's like, I went through and made a good setup of it.

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I know, I know, like getting into the flower and doing the flower everywhere.

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And I've seen that, and so I think Erica does that too.

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I said, Yeah, that's fun, but you don't feel like doing that all the time, but you have to at least move the damn thing so that the the kids don't start questioning it.

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Yeah, but so after we had after we had that episode, I went up there and I asked Jack, I was like, What did you uh what'd you really like about Christmas?

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And he was like, Lloyd was awesome.

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And so I'm like, we gotta get Lloyd back now that we got Freya and they're gonna be staying over on Christmas Eve and Christmas.

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Absolutely, gotta bring it back.

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But Lloyd was like, you know, just imagine like your little kid, you probably and and and like can't touch him and your elf spiritual spirit.

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Knowing that you go up to it and you're like, You're probably talking to it.

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Hey Jerry, I really would like to have this thing for Christmas.

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Like Bo wrote it, bro, Bo wrote a list, a Santa's list, and and then taped it together and then put it next to the next to Jerry or whoever.

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Yeah.

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Of course, we took it and read it.

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And it was it's hilarious what they write, you know.

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Like, can we have a dog if dad's okay with it?

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You know, stuff like that.

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Like anything volunteer stuff.

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Like it's just it's cute.

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I liked it.

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I like doing that.

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I was thinking about getting them back out.

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I I'd I'd mentioned to Nikki, I was like, Yeah, I don't know where Lloyd went.

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I think he ended up getting thrown away.

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She's like, Oh, I know exactly where he's at.

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I was like, Really?

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Yes.

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I would have just moved it around because even now Jack would get up in the morning.

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Yeah, he's past that anyway, but he he'd be like, Where's Lloyd at?

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Yeah, yeah.

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We all hunt for him.

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Even when I if if like if Eric, I'm like, where the hell is where are they at?

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Yeah, where are they at?

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It's just fun.

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I mean, like, yeah, like Bo will come home, he can't find it in the morning, and he'll start hunting for it in the afternoon when he comes home from school.

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Yeah, exactly.

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It's fun.

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So yeah, we did that.

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Actually, my kids were like, you know, halfway or a little bit more than halfway, you know, done with like that young part of young kids part of Christmas when when Elf on the Shelf actually came out.

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So they only got a few years of it.

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Sure, sure.

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Yeah, we we've been, we were we were full full force with it.

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I mean, wasn't there like some sort of I remember like you could follow the tracker online?

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I don't even know.

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It was some weird like I don't yeah, I don't know if that had to do anything with Elf on the Shelf, but yeah, I think that there was like a Santa's tracker and all that weird stuff, something like that.

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Well, one of the one of the big things I've been kind of asking people their opinions uh here on the podcast and also like on social media about uh Joseph and I were talking about like our traditions when we were kids.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And so the the conversation came up, and we just thought this was normal, that like on Christmas Eve we would get presents from like, you know, a couple presents from my mom and dad, and then and you know, we'd go see the family and everything, but then on Christmas morning, it was like Santa's stuff.

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Oh, okay, okay.

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We'll see, okay, yeah.

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And so it was Santa's stuff, okay, which is common, but we were me and Joseph.

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So you're saying you would open up like every single present that wasn't involved with Santa like the night before, or just a couple?

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Just a couple, just like you know, one or two because we're going around seeing the seeing the family and all that.

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But sure, sure.

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But on Christmas morning, like there was piles, like me and me, Nathan, and Joseph had like our piles of each thing.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And here's the kicker.

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It was unwrapped.

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So my question to you is when you were growing, when you were growing up, did you how did you do how did you do it with your family?

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All that Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, and then how do you do it now, like with your family?

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All right.

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So growing up, I grew up Catholic, so I think we would always go to Mass Christmas Eve at some point, whether it would be whatever.

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I don't we never went to the midnight mass or anything late like that.

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So we would always typically go to Mass, come back, and then we would decorate the Christmas tree, Christmas Eve uh night.

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So you didn't even decorate.

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Well, so here hear me out, hear me out.

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A lot of people my wife gets up in arms about this too.

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Okay.

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Yeah, so you're like, you're so you're sitting there all months with the with the no, with no nothing on the tree.

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Okay, yes.

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So you have some of the the classic ornaments, yes, the the the the monotonous ones, you know, the the just the balls and stuff, you know, here and there peppered them on.

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But my mom gave us an in an individual ornament every year.

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Okay.

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So ever since we were born.

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So since 1981, every year she gives my sister and I a new ornament.

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Even to this day, y'all see.

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Even to this day.

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I don't know if we do them to this day.

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No, not anymore.

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But you get the ornament.

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But we got them all the way through college, right?

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So when we so when we got married, we had, you know, 25, 30 ornaments of our own to put on the tree.

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So what we would do is we would put those personalized ornaments on the tree Christmas Eve and make it, you know, the personalized Christmas Eve tree.

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Yeah.

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And then we would, you know, my sister and I would exchange a present, you know, she would buy me something, I would buy her something.

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And obviously, we couldn't not not open something Christmas Eve, right?

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So we would exchange our presents with each other.

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So I would open hers and she would open mine just to appease us.

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Yeah.

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And then obviously Christmas morning was we opened up everything.

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Uh, but we had one Santa gift, which was unwrapped.

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So that was like kind of like the big present, right?

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You know, if you want an electric guitar or a that was a new bike or something, that was gonna be the unwrapped Santa gift.

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And then obviously we had the stockings, and so I would wake up in the morning, go down there, because everyone would sleep in, and I would take my stocking, and you can kind of like play with your stocking, and then you'd have to wait to wait for everybody to wake up in order to, you know, do the present stuff.

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Well, would all the presents like the normal presents be under the tree and then just the only thing different on Christmas morning would be like the same.

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And it was unwrapped, and it was unwrapped, and it you know, it said from Santa, or you just knew what you asked for, it was it was gonna be from Santa.

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So Nikki is giving me a hard time, and she not giving me a hard time, but she was saying that like my parents were lazy because I told her that you know, we would get a couple gifts.

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It was usually like a shirt or something like that from my from my parents, and then like Santa would bring like all the stuff that you would you'd be asking for, like you know, like what do you want for Christmas?

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And here's my list of Santa and all that.

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But see, with her family, they did that similar, they'd have presents open on Christmas Eve, but on Christmas morning, like you know, you just have like this whole huge tree full of presents, but it would be like, Oh, here's a gift from dad.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Here's a gift from Santa, and everything's like wrapped.

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Okay, well, no, because Santa doesn't rap, does he?

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That's what I thought.

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Santa ain't got time for that.

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I I yeah, I'm I'm kind of with you.

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I I'm I'm now I can understand a couple rap presents, but usually that gift from Santa is pretty freaking big and awkward and weird and strange, i.e.

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a bike or well, me and Joseph just thought it was.

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You're not gonna wrap a bike, you're not gonna wrap a pair of roller skates or a pair of rollerblades, or you know, we did we thought we thought that the pogo stick.

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We thought it was normal, but then it's like, but but see, that's what we do for me and Nikki have been married for over 20 years, and we do it the way that her family did it with our kids.

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You know, we still do the same, like I remember it's called compromise.

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Yeah, I mean, it wasn't that big of a deal.

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No, I get it.

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As as we as I've been doing this podcast, like kind of pulling these memories from my mind.

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Your each other's traditions together and you make your own.

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So do you do that now with your kids?

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Yes.

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So we we each give them a personal ornament every year, and then we my wife does get mad at me because I tell them we have to wait to put the ornaments on Christmas Eve.

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We have the ball, you know, the regular.

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How long do you leave your tree up after Christmas?

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Probably, you know, through halfway through January.

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It's a fake tree until my wife, until I'm tired of it to be up and I'm like, we gotta put all this shit up.

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When do you put it up?

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I mean, I hope to God, I'm hoping by mid-January it's gone.

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No, I mean, when do you set it up?

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Oh, first of December, December 1.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Eric is usually does it that weekend after Thanksgiving, kind of before, not completely like on Thanksgiving weekend, but like that following weekend.

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Yeah, I'm real big on um, I don't know if you're like this, but I'm one of those people that don't want to pass over Thanksgiving because I think it's important.

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No, I agree.

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You know how a lot of people go straight from like as soon as Halloween's over, like all the Christmas decorations.

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Because I think the what the why they do that is because some of the the Christmas and Thanksgiving decorations can kind of be used simultaneously for each holiday.

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Like it's the same color scheme.

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It's the green, it's the red, it's the there's that, but I also think it's the magnolia leaves, it's the pine cones, it's the you know, that kind of shit.

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I think that yes, that's that's probably a factor, but I was thinking it's because it's a money making, it's mark it's marketing.

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Yeah, it's marketing.

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But like you notice as you get older how like I mean, it was it was insane.

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It was it was Thanksgiving yesterday.

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Are we playing paper football here?

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Yeah, take it.

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You gonna win?

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You want me to put it in your mouth for you?

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No, just at least slide it over and try to win the game like that.

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Remember paper football?

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Yeah, but then it'd fall off on the floor.

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Well then that I get to kick, then you kick off to me and I start over.

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All right, go ahead.

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But anyway, um, you know, you know how it was like Thanksgiving was literally like yesterday in my mind.

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That was good.

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You almost won yourself.

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I know how about that?

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But so people want it up longer so you can enjoy it longer.

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I get it.

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Like I mean, I don't I can I would argue if you really wanted to, you could leave it up all the way through January.

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Yeah.

00:14:02.159 --> 00:14:07.519
I think that's a little much, but because come February 1, I mean, come on, let's go.

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Well, there's a lot of people that leave it up.

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I don't know.

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As soon as Thanksgiving's over, Thanksgiving's always on Thursday.

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Yeah.

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On Friday morning, I'm always like, all right, let's get the Christmas decorations up.

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Because I do want I want to see them for me.

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That's a little much.

00:14:19.919 --> 00:14:22.879
Well, I want to see them because you can wait three days, four days.

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Yeah, I guess you can, but but anyway, we set it all up.

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Yeah, and then as soon as Christmas is over, we usually have the tree down probably well, like this year, you know, New Year's is on a Thursday.

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New Year's Day is on a Thursday.

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So I'd say that weekend we probably take everything down.

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Yeah, that makes sense.

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But um, I mean, it people, it's different for everybody, right?

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Yeah, family traditions are fun, you know.

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It's um and it's fun too now because Eli and has Eli and Taylor have Freya, and Freya's over here.

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Your grandparents.

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It's so it's like one of the things I've been having trouble with is like I know what I know what Christmas is because I've been saying this the past few weeks and like I'm hearing myself and I know what like I don't want people to misunderstand.

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I know the purpose of Christmas.

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Yes, I know I I know the purpose of Christmas, but the purpose, but baby Jesus, but the purpose of Christmas, like especially when you're a little kid, is just the the the magical of it.

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It's the it's it's yes, and it's also receiving, but as a young kid, but if you're blessed enough to learn the gift of giving as at a young age, you obviously pick that up regardless.

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I think most people pick that up when they get older.

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Yeah, you know, they they prefer to give than to receive because to see the joy in other people's faces, and yeah, and I don't think you realize that until you have your own kids and you're like, oh man, you know, to see their their eyes light up at Christmas and to say, Oh man, I asked for that and I actually got it, or we were able to provide that, you know, we're fortunate enough to be able to get you that or or whatever.

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You know, I like that aspect of it, but you but you remember like when you were a kid just like going around looking at Christmas lights and doing all that kind of thing.

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We do that too.

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I forgot about that.

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That's another tradition that my brother drive around looking at the body.

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But do you enjoy do you enjoy doing that now as an adult?

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Yeah, I mean, yes.

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Yeah, yes and no.

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That's what I'm saying.

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It's like I just kind of feel kind of stale sometimes, like yeah, I get what you're saying.

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Yes, I I think I think you and I probably enjoy to see that joy through our children that we used to have.

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I think that's what gives us joy is to see that joy on their face and them experiencing uh yeah kind of that what we what we miss, so to speak.

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Yeah, I'm hey man, let's let's get it back.

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I'm a real sentimental guy.

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Me like very sentimental.

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I haven't seen you cry once.

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Well, I mean, I'm sentimental in this I don't cry.

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I cry at least once a day, probably.

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The thing is, it's like I don't really I don't really care about that either way, but I do want to feel the holiday.

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Feel the holiday.

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Me and me and Joseph were talking the other day just about like how you know we've had so much tragedy in our in our family.

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And it's been very it's yeah, I it's it's unbelievable.

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And I don't think I've had a chance to discuss that with you.

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It's very upsetting like on the outside for me.

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I know it is, and I feel bad.

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I I I think that's do you internally do you ever talk to anybody about that?

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Not saying like even on the podcast, but I know you and you and Joseph are very reserved in in your emotions, yeah, and expressing them outward.

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And I think you talk about that.

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You you acknowledge that, both of you.

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I mean, I talk to Nikki.

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You deal with trauma in a different way.

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I talked to Nikki about it to a degree, but nothing like I'm just falling into her arms weeping about it.

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Listen, I'm not saying you have to do that in order to process to process all this trauma.

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I'm just saying, even talking to your brother on a on a like a reel-to-reel, I'm hopefully you guys have some sort of heart to hearts sometimes, like in here without the cameras on the and the microphones on.

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What you see on the camera has been really, really rough.

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We lost, you know.

00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:06.319
Well, we I think that we're like, yeah, this sucks.

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You know, this is because it is what it is.

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It's fine.

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I'm just curious.

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No, I'm well, I'm trying to process it right now and think of think it through, but it it's I know for me, I don't know about Joseph, but I know for me when someone dies, it's not the end of anything.

00:18:24.640 --> 00:18:29.279
No, I and so part of that part of it makes me happy.

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You know, I'm happy for the person, but it sucks for us here, you know, friends and family.

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I understand.

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I think that's it, I think that's a great outlook to look to to perceive it as and look at it from and lens to look at it through.

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Well, my grandfather, for example, I mean he's 93 years old.

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That's a great lens.

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That's absolutely fine.

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That's what I'm saying.

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That's I get that.

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What was really hard is like, you know, my dad, he was older, but not old enough.

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He wasn't ready.

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And then my brother is uh specifically, but it it's sad, and I and I hate it and I don't like it.

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But at the same time, I'm just like, what can I do about it?

00:19:03.279 --> 00:19:09.680
Yeah, I think I think that that's where I that's where I like why am I gonna sit here and dwell on if I can't do anything about it.

00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:14.880
Yeah, but it does kind of suck when the holidays come around because Nikki's family is massive, yeah.

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And we always have a great time, and it's always good to see everybody.

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We see each other regularly, so that's okay.

00:19:20.799 --> 00:19:22.079
But they're all local, right?

00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:26.079
Yeah, they're all local here in town, and and it's an event over here.

00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:28.960
I mean, it's is it usually you say it's usually over here then?

00:19:29.119 --> 00:19:39.200
Oh, it's always over here because we have the the most space, I guess, but it's our space is running out because people are like, you know, boyfriends, girlfriends, kids, married, getting married.

00:19:39.200 --> 00:19:42.160
Like as everybody gets older, sure, and so the family's getting bigger.

00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:45.839
We actually for Thanksgiving, I got this big tent and put it out there.

00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:51.839
Well, the problem was it was too cold, so we all ended up back in the house.

00:19:51.839 --> 00:19:59.759
So we're actually talking about building onto the house, not a screen and porch, like building our living room out toward yeah, like a like we're

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Where the yeah, I see what you're saying.

00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:13.359
So n I've n Nikki's tasked with trying to uh figure out financing and all that kind of stuff for it, but uh you know, like f rolling it into our our uh our mortgage.

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Do you have a line of credit or a HELOC?

00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:19.039
Well that's what we're looking at.

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We're looking at HELOC uh you have a bunch of equity in the house.

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We do, and so that's the only the only thing with the HELOC though, it's it's an adjustable rate, which which floats with with prime.

00:20:29.359 --> 00:20:33.519
And obviously, maybe an extra quarter point for the bank.

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Otherwise, yeah, what's the point of giving you money?

00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:39.839
Well, we're gonna we're looking at it because we have two options.

00:20:39.839 --> 00:20:45.920
We're either gonna leave we were gonna move, but I can't afford to move back into Fairview where we want to be.

00:20:46.160 --> 00:20:47.279
You might as well just make what you want.

00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:48.799
Yeah, because I like it out here.

00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:54.480
We got the pool, we got Holliswood Studios here, and you could even level it out to have like a patio underneath something.

00:20:54.480 --> 00:20:55.599
Yeah, that's what we're gonna do.

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I'll show it to you whenever we finish.

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But but anyway, so the holidays, what I was my original point was is the holidays are great because her the family and everything's here, but like it's just like it's hey Joseph.

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You want you to mow over my one family member?

00:21:12.319 --> 00:21:13.599
Well, that's all right.

00:21:13.839 --> 00:21:14.799
But it's okay, it's okay.

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It's gonna happen.

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And then I think that what's kids, what's sad about it is I'm thinking about it for Nikki's family.

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Like eventually, and I'm not saying that anybody's gonna die soon, but eventually people will start dying, and there's just so many people, you know.

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So it's um, you know, it sucks, but it's life, it is life, unfortunately.

00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:42.480
So, anyway, last night I went to um go see Joe Mackey at uh how was that at Zany's?

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I text Greg Mackey for some reason.

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I text Greg Mackey.

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You did.

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I was like, no, it's Joe Mackey.

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Sorry, my bad.

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But it was it was awesome.

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Was it?

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Yeah, he was it uh how was that was the audience packed out or was it it was packed.

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Have you ever been to Zany's?

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Never I I told you earlier, you know, at work the other day that I've never been to a comedy show.

00:22:02.400 --> 00:22:03.680
Well, I hadn't either until August.

00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:10.319
Nikki got me a um a show, like a magician comedian for my birthday in July, and it was in August.

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It was a first I've lived here all my life, never been to Zanies.

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Neither neither have I drive, always drove past it right there on 8th Avenue.

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It's right there, and it was it's great.

00:22:17.839 --> 00:22:19.200
The food's actually really good.

00:22:19.200 --> 00:22:25.119
It's in high school there used to be an uh an Asian massage parlor down the down the street from there.

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I never went there, but I always heard about it.

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I didn't go there.

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I didn't, I didn't go there.

00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:31.519
That's hilarious.

00:22:31.759 --> 00:22:37.839
But yeah, that it's cool because there's Zany's, the main club, and then they built on that this place, they call it the lab.

00:22:37.839 --> 00:22:43.200
It's like a smaller venue than Zany's, but and so Joe Mackey was actually in the lab.

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And and we that was the first time we'd been in there and we liked it better.

00:22:46.240 --> 00:22:46.720
Really?

00:22:46.720 --> 00:22:47.279
It's better.

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Is it smaller, more intimate?

00:22:48.799 --> 00:23:03.599
It's it's it is smaller, but in Zany's, it's like everything's like packed, and then there's like it's like you can tell that they just kind of crammed it together because then like if you're sitting in a certain area over here, you can't see shit because the there's poles in the way.

00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:04.480
Right, right, right.

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But in the lab, it's just like this open area, open area, and there's tables lined up.

00:23:09.039 --> 00:23:10.799
And so anyway, he's really funny.

00:23:10.799 --> 00:23:21.359
And you you know, if you watch him on gut fill, you know, it's very limited of what what you know what each of them are talking about, so you don't get a big a full taste of them.

00:23:21.359 --> 00:23:26.640
And so listening to him for an hour last night was it he was really funny, consistently funny.

00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:29.839
But I was gonna ask you this because I was thinking about it last night.

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Are you ever in a situation?

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Because it at comedy clubs and things like that, you're just sat wherever they want to sit you, right?

00:23:36.720 --> 00:23:41.359
So you're sitting with potentially, you know, yeah, it's kind of like family style register.

00:23:41.920 --> 00:23:42.799
Family style sitting.

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Yeah, and it's like as much of an introvert as I am, it's like because I can be both introvert and outro or extra outrovert.

00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:53.200
You're an omnivert.

00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:54.160
I'm the omnivert.

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You're both.

00:23:54.880 --> 00:23:56.160
I can be both.

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And so I usually my um my base level is introvert.

00:24:01.839 --> 00:24:02.079
Sure.

00:24:02.079 --> 00:24:04.960
And so I go in there and I'm just like, oh, this sucks.

00:24:04.960 --> 00:24:07.200
I don't want to stop.

00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:08.720
I don't want to sit with people.

00:24:08.720 --> 00:24:09.359
Yeah, I can't.

00:24:09.359 --> 00:24:18.799
But the thing is though, is then you know, someone sits down beside you, the, you know, the the server or the host sits somebody beside you and you stripe up a conversation.

00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:21.359
Every time we've been there, it's like we've had great conversations with people.

00:24:21.680 --> 00:24:22.079
Sure, sure.

00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:23.920
Do you do you like that type of situation?

00:24:24.160 --> 00:24:25.119
Uh I can do it.

00:24:25.119 --> 00:24:27.200
It's it's it's easy.

00:24:27.200 --> 00:24:29.920
It's easy to have my my wife with me.

00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:32.559
My wife is very, like, I'm sure, is your wife pretty outgoing?

00:24:32.559 --> 00:24:33.039
Oh, yeah.

00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:33.440
Okay.

00:24:33.519 --> 00:24:35.279
So I do you have you ever met Nikki?

00:24:35.279 --> 00:24:36.640
Yes, I have met Nikki.

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And I'm just saying, like, obviously she's outgoing with us, but I'm saying I've never seen her in a true and like in an unknown environment.

00:24:44.319 --> 00:24:47.519
Like if she walks in a room full of people, that's one of that, right?

00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:54.640
That's why I knew that um that's why I knew that when we went out, me, you, Erica, and Nikki went out, I knew that they would get along great.

00:24:54.960 --> 00:24:57.680
100% because Erica does, as you know, Erica does hair.

00:24:57.759 --> 00:24:57.920
Yeah.

00:24:58.160 --> 00:25:01.680
So she's got a captive audience all day, every day.

00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:04.720
So she's got to, she's got to do small talk.

00:25:04.720 --> 00:25:04.960
Yeah.

00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:07.519
I mean, that's her job, essentially, right?

00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:07.839
Yeah.

00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:11.440
She's like a a mini psychotherapist for these people half the time.

00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:16.640
But I guess that was a dumb question to ask you because I know that if you and her go out, like she can strike up the conversation.

00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:21.920
I can, yes, I can I I can engage and and and and and find it's hard for me.

00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:25.599
No, I can.

00:25:25.599 --> 00:25:26.319
There you go.

00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:30.640
Um it's hard for me to talk to another introvert.

00:25:30.640 --> 00:25:37.920
I can lead the conversation with another introvert because I know what it feels like to be like, oh, I'm shy, and this, that, and the other.

00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:53.119
It's it's I it's hard for me to walk into a room full of people by myself and be and expect to go around and be like, hey, my name is Daniel so-and-so, and I'm, you know, with such and such company.

00:25:53.119 --> 00:25:56.559
And and let's start, let's just randomly start small talking.

00:25:56.559 --> 00:26:02.480
But I I think if you walk into a room and you're one-on-one with somebody, it's a lot easier for me to do that, you know?

00:26:02.480 --> 00:26:02.960
Yeah.

00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:08.160
Because you can you look on the wall and find something that you have something in common about, right?

00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:15.359
As I get older, I want to be better about that and be more engaging and be someone like, man, you I really want to talk to Tim.

00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:17.279
I think I think I'm a good listener.

00:26:17.279 --> 00:26:21.279
I think I think sometimes people are are are afraid of silence.

00:26:21.279 --> 00:26:23.279
I'm not too intimidated by silence.

00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:24.480
I think, yeah.

00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:36.079
I think sometimes like in our our AI meeting, I kind of fumbled over my words because sometimes my head just my brain races way quicker than my mouth can like spit out the words.

00:26:36.079 --> 00:26:36.720
I don't know.

00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:38.079
I don't know if that's anxiety.

00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:40.000
I don't know if that's because I'm uber smart.

00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:42.240
I'm just kidding, but you're smart, dude.

00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:52.960
It's probably anxiety driven, but like sometimes that's why I fumble or stutter because I can't, it's like I'm processing what I want to say, but my mouth, my mouth can't say it as quickly as my brain is processing in my head.

00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:54.640
Yeah, I'm the same, I'm the same way.

00:26:54.720 --> 00:26:58.319
Uh so I if if I'm a it all depends on the scenario.

00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:03.359
Sometimes I'm like, I can do it, I can do it all, and then sometimes I'm like, what the fuck am I doing?

00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:07.680
Like, why like you know, my hands are sweaty and I'm like, oh shit, like what the fuck?

00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:10.000
Like, you know, that type of thing.

00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:12.400
Yeah, that's what's funny about it for me too.

00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:21.119
It's like I I wish that I could just be one or the other, but like sometimes I'll go into a situation and I'm just like, yeah, I'm I'm fucking, I'm awesome.

00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:22.559
You're competent, I'm confident.

00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:29.920
And then and then sometimes I'm just like because I generally feel I generally feel like not superior to anybody.

00:27:29.920 --> 00:27:30.960
No, not at all.

00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:34.160
I mean, even I mean, you're 45, right?

00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:35.039
44.

00:27:35.039 --> 00:27:36.720
And the same same thing with me.

00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:41.440
And I have to like keep constantly reminding myself that like you don't have to call everybody sir anymore.

00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:42.480
You're you're a sir.

00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:43.759
I know I'm a man.

00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:46.319
You're raising a family, you have a mortgage payment.

00:27:46.319 --> 00:27:52.880
Like you are an adult now, and sometimes it's like you still feel like you're that eight-year-old kid that's like sometimes I feel like I'm that 16-year-old kid.

00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:55.039
Have any authority over anything, exactly?

00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:57.200
But I'm like, but I do have authority, exactly.

00:27:57.200 --> 00:27:58.480
I'm the boss, exactly.

00:27:58.640 --> 00:28:02.319
So it's so it's it's kind of constantly remind yourself it's all right, everybody.

00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:05.599
And that's why I always it's we feel the same way.

00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:08.640
You can't help but think that everybody else in this whole fucking world feels the same way.

00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:11.920
And that's always like half these fucking people are faking it, bro.

00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:14.319
Yeah, well, I know that's what I've learned over the years.

00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:18.000
It's like as long as you just walk in with some confidence, I think you can do a whole lot.

00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:22.880
I've said this to people, it's like what you see with me is how I am all the time.

00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:28.720
Yeah, when I'm in a closed room with my wife talking, this is what this is who I am.

00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:29.119
Sure.

00:28:29.119 --> 00:28:37.599
And so, like, I always have this, I always have this thing in my head where I'm just like, you know, is everyone else like that?

00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:40.400
But what I've learned over the years is most of the time they're not.

00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:48.480
They're have this facade or this different person that they're showing you, or the shit that you see on social media of like, look how great my life is.

00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:53.519
Yeah, well, and we obviously social media is a bad example because we all know that's fake.

00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:55.519
Everyone's just gonna put the good side of their lives.

00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:58.480
Well, that's true, but like there's no Yeah, but I see what you're saying.

00:28:58.480 --> 00:29:11.200
It's like two versions of yourself, like it's the business version when I go to work, you know, it's the button up, yes, you're not gonna cuss and you're not gonna, you know, whatever, be sexually harassing and call, you know, women sweethearts and and all that shit.

00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:18.720
Hey, sweet, you know, you I mean, obviously you you don't mean anything by it, southern terminology, but you're obviously you're not gonna say that in the workplace.

00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:24.160
I I think I understand that, but like if you're completely are you saying like completely an utterly different personality?

00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:31.440
Well, not not so much personality, but like everybody's got like their their, I don't want to say demons, that's kind of cliche.

00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:41.839
Everybody's got their um things that they don't want the world to see, or like I have this habit, or or maybe someone that's OCD that has to, you know, check and make sure the door's locked 20 times.

00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:44.880
Maybe they're they don't want like I wouldn't know that if that was you.

00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:45.279
Yeah, yeah.

00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:47.039
Because you're trying, you're trying to hide it.

00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:49.759
You're trying to hide this thing that you're you're you don't want other people.

00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:54.400
I think everybody, I think, like you say, I think everybody has a has something like that.

00:29:54.799 --> 00:30:04.880
But I just feel like if I'm not completely who I am, what you see now, and what my family sees and everything else, then people are gonna be like, that guy's fake.

00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:06.480
No, yeah, I see what you're saying.

00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:08.240
Like, fuck that guy, he's fake.

00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:09.200
Because I'm I'm not.

00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:12.319
No, I I yeah, I think I'm I I feel like I'm genuinely the same.

00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:16.240
Like I try I'm trying to be funny and try to just you know make people laugh.

00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:17.680
I you know, I enjoy doing that.

00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:21.839
I I think I this is kind of a I think there's a time and a place for everything, right?

00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:36.079
This is kind of a dumb example, but whenever um whenever um Joe Mackey was making a joke last night and and Jared, the subway guy, came up, and it's like who would have thought in a million years that this guy's a pedophile?

00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:37.359
Yeah, I see, okay, yeah.

00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:41.839
And so, like, how how do you Or even did you have you even watched the Diddy documentary?

00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:42.720
No, I haven't watched it.

00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:43.680
I've I've been meaning to watch it.

00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:44.480
You should watch that.

00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:45.519
It's it's it's insane.

00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:46.720
But yeah, I get what you're saying.

00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:48.640
Like that that would classify, yes.

00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:49.839
That's that's two different people.

00:30:50.079 --> 00:30:56.559
He's got demons that he's got and but like could you imagine if you're like a celebrity like that and something like that comes out?

00:30:56.559 --> 00:31:03.519
That's why I'm just like I just need to be who I am all the time because I don't want there to ever be any question of like my character.

00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:07.200
In case you run for political well, I don't think I would ever do that.

00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:08.799
No, I see what you're saying, yeah.

00:31:09.039 --> 00:31:12.559
But it's just strange that um people can can live that way, yeah.

00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:18.000
People live that because I I spent many years when I was younger trying to be two different people, and it's exhausting.

00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:36.480
Oh, it's it's it's hard when you're trying to do this and you're trying to do that, and it's like even uh several years ago when I was very heavily into the church of like being I've got I'm around these church people, I'm gonna act this way, and then I'm around you know, my work friends like you and Mike and Joseph and everybody, and it's like I'm gonna act this way.

00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:39.599
It's like, look, I can be both, exactly.

00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:44.799
You know, I was I was listening to um Jelly Roll on uh on Joe Rogan.

00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:55.839
Yeah, and I like you know, I don't I don't never even listen to his music before, but I just like him because he's just very honest, he's a spiritual guy, but he'll also talk a bunch of shit.

00:31:55.839 --> 00:32:01.440
Yeah, and it's like you can be both I think drinks and smokes and yeah, you can be, and he lost like 300 pounds.

00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:04.720
I know I've seen him he's it's that's a lot.

00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:14.720
But you can my point is you can be both people, and as you get older, you stop caring less about trying to cater to other pe what you think other people are expecting.

00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:26.880
Yeah, I and again, I think that's uh like you said, as you're getting older, you you you're identify more with yourself that yes, you're a man, you're you know, you're not in that 16-year-old mind frame or 20-year-old mind frame or 21-year-old mind frame anymore.

00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:30.079
And I think that goes along with being comfortable in your own skin.

00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:30.720
You know what I mean?

00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:32.160
You're not you don't have to be two people.

00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:39.759
You can be, hey, I can talk about Jesus with my work buddies and not feel bad about it if that's how you felt.

00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:42.720
I'm not saying that's how you felt, but like if that was an example of it, you know.

00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:44.319
I can't you know what I mean?

00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:46.559
Like, we don't care if if Yeah, I know.

00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:47.200
You know what I mean?

00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:48.079
Like I know what you mean.

00:32:48.079 --> 00:32:52.240
But like I know that's not the example, but that you were feeling, but you know what I mean?

00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:53.920
That would be, I guess, one example.

00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:54.400
Yeah.

00:32:54.400 --> 00:33:00.079
But yeah, I think it's just as you get older, you're comfortable with who you are and and who you develop as.

00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:06.559
And the thing is, is I don't know that I'm even comfortable with who I am, but I think I care less about what other people think.

00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:06.960
Yeah.

00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:07.279
Yeah.

00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:13.279
Cause I remember you remember walking like into a room and you're like looking around and like wondering what people are thinking, or you know, are they looking at me?

00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:14.480
Everyone's looking at me.

00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:15.440
Everyone everyone's looking at me.

00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:15.839
Guess what?

00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:16.559
Who gives a f now?

00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:17.839
And they're sitting there, and they're sitting there.

00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:18.720
I just walk right in.

00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:19.359
I don't give a shit.

00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:24.240
I just like I'm like they're thinking now, like, oh, everybody, you know, everybody's thinking the same shit that you are.

00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:24.799
Exactly.

00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:28.960
It's it's funny because we get so wrapped up in that, and everybody else, it doesn't matter.

00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:31.200
Though you can see the most confident person in the world.

00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:44.640
They're gonna still think nine times out of ten, there's like that thing in their head that's like, Yep, no, you're not good enough, or or and you're just like telling yourself, sit up straight, engage your core, engage your core, look, look professional.

00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:45.440
Look the part.

00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:46.720
Look the part.

00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:47.680
I used to try to do that.

00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:49.839
The quietest man in the room is the smartest.

00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:54.000
I used to try to do that at work when I was more of a boss of people.

00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:54.559
Yeah.

00:33:54.799 --> 00:34:07.680
And you know, and I realized that that didn't work for me because my management style is of you know, be real with people, but also them know that like if you do if you fuck up, then you're gonna you're gonna be in trouble.

00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:07.839
Yeah.

00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:12.320
But I think that everybody enjoyed working for me.

00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:12.800
I don't know.

00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:14.079
I wouldn't I would like to think that.

00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:15.039
I would agree.

00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:22.960
I think I think your management style is there's no there's no there's there doesn't need to be a good thing.

00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:24.880
I'm a trust but verified type of fellow.

00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:26.960
Yeah, micromanaging, yes, I agree.

00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:27.440
There you go.

00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:28.400
Yeah.

00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:33.360
Well, so I I guess I need to discuss the elephant in the room.

00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:34.559
What is that?

00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:38.159
I know you don't listen to the podcast, and that's fine.

00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:42.960
I don't expect you to, but there's been some I should.

00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:49.280
There's been some signaling in every one of the episodes of Joseph calling me calling you a bitch.

00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:57.199
Well, he told me he was gonna be nice to me, and I told him before I came on here I was gonna do nothing but say nice things, and I'm tired of being meaningful.

00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:00.800
He said, I'm gonna call him a bitch and to and see if he listen see if he hears it.

00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:02.800
I was like, he doesn't listen to it, so he's not gonna hear it.

00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:04.239
He's like, Well, I'm gonna do it.

00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:05.840
So that's what he's doing.

00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:06.480
That's fine.

00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:06.960
That's fine.

00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:09.519
I'll listen to it, and I guess he can call me a bitch all he wants.

00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:10.159
That's fine.

00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:11.119
I love you, Joseph.

00:35:11.119 --> 00:35:11.760
I know.

00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:13.119
He I don't think you're a bitch.

00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:13.519
Thank you.

00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:14.559
I appreciate that, Tim.

00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:18.559
But uh, but yeah, so we do need to get uh two sad dads going.

00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:22.239
Well, if Mike would I offered to drive him here, but he's like, uh what did he say?

00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:24.000
Something about a splint getting off.

00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:26.719
Yeah, he's got that splint that's coming off, I think on Wednesdays.

00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:28.880
As he's racing around the house on a scooter.

00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:30.000
Did you see that video?

00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:30.719
Yes.

00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:36.079
At first I was gonna question Mark, I was like, Why'd you send us a screenshot of like your utility thing?

00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:38.800
Yeah, I know I clicked on it and I was like, What the hell?

00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:39.599
Oh, okay, all right.

00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:43.280
Yeah, his daughter, it was uh I guess it was on his daughter's TikTok or something.

00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:44.639
But yeah, that's funny.

00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:50.320
I was like, You you can't come up here, but yet you're racing around the the house on the the scooter.

00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:59.119
Yeah, I hope I hope that that surgery worked because uh he's dragging that foot around for I mean I think that they he was limping the whole two years he had that.

00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:07.039
I was gonna say that he didn't he never had a normal walk or normal after he had that first surgery, he was worse than before when he agree.

00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:08.719
It was like kind of like your Mexican surgery.

00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:14.880
Because I didn't even realize that like before when he had originally had that surgery a couple years ago, he would limp a little bit.

00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:16.960
Yeah, but he limped the whole time.

00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:18.159
I know, I know.

00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:19.360
I'm like, what are you doing?

00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:21.519
Like, how does that not affect your other side?

00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:23.440
Oh no, that's the hip, yeah.

00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:30.159
Like you're like, you know, if you're constantly overcompensating on the other leg, like how does that jack you up?

00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:40.239
I I come I can empathize with people that have surgeries on their feet, and man, it's there's nothing worse than your and he can't take the pain meds because he's allergic to them.

00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:48.559
So can you even imagine having all that work done and not even like being able to just take yeah, I know like extra strength pinol, and that's it or something?

00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:50.400
That's I think that's what he's been doing.

00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:53.679
Uh uh rather than the the narcotics.

00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:54.880
Bless his little heart.

00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:56.480
Bless his little heart.

00:36:56.480 --> 00:36:57.599
Bless your little heart.

00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:01.760
Well, the next time that we're all in here, we're gonna it'll be the two sad dads.

00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:04.159
I'll probably be called the bitch every other word.

00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:06.000
No, I think Joseph will probably be nice too.

00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:06.960
You think he'll turn it down?

00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:07.440
He might.

00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:08.159
I hope so.

00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:10.320
Because he's gonna listen to this and then feel bad.

00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:16.880
Uh I'm not trying to aim to make you feel bad, Joseph, but if you do, we can we can make amends, don't worry, buddy.

00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:22.000
Well, I don't know.

00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:22.480
Yeah.

00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:24.639
So everything going good in your life?

00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:29.280
Yeah, everything's going good, just doing the doing the work thing and doing the thing.

00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:31.519
And I saw you twice this week at work.

00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:31.920
I know.

00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:32.960
I had a couple meetings.

00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:39.280
I was there Monday and then uh I was there Friday, and then uh That's probably the most I've seen you at work in like a year.

00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:40.400
Joseph said too.

00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:44.719
I was like, I'm I'm working off on my 2026 time, so I'll see y'all in 2027.

00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:47.280
What do you what do you you like working at home?

00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:48.559
Uh yes and no.

00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:52.239
I mean, yeah, I do like I get a lot done, I'll be honest with you.

00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:55.519
You you kind of got pushed out of the office because needing more space.

00:37:55.519 --> 00:38:00.000
Of course, yeah, if we get this new place that we're looking at, you may have an office.

00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:01.119
What do you oh really?

00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:02.880
Yeah, we can talk about that offline.

00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:03.360
Okay.

00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:05.920
Because I don't it's not it's not public information.

00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:07.280
Getcha, getcha.

00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:09.199
Um, yeah, that'd be interesting to talk about.

00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:10.800
Yeah, no, I do I do like it.

00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:15.679
It it it it allows me to because I wake up so early sometimes.

00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:16.159
Yeah.

00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:22.559
And so I can just like literally just if I'm you know, if I'm ready to go, I can just hop on the computer and just start what I need to start doing.

00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:23.280
You know what I mean?

00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:27.199
And I don't have to wait till the office opens up or get there at seven and fight traffic.

00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:28.880
And that's that's what I love.

00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:40.639
I love not fighting traffic, being able just to wake up, take a shower, go downstairs, and just start working whenever I want, and then I work my you know, my my eight hours, and then we learn what it is.

00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:55.920
We learned when uh Jack I can let the dog out the back door out out outside in the backyard to go pee and poop and when Jack was homeschooling, we learned that um you know kids go to school for seven or eight hours a day and they're only getting schooling for like three.

00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:56.639
Yeah, exactly.

00:38:56.639 --> 00:39:02.639
Because it it it's all the logistics in between, it's the walk in between classes, and that's what I find at work.

00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:12.320
Like I'll I'll be in there at seven, but I won't get started on what I'm doing until like eight, eight, you know, eight o'clock because everyone's like in and out talking and this, that, and the other.

00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:15.599
And it's like, dude, I could have had like three hours of work done at home by now.

00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:20.559
So I'm of the opinion of that to where I mean I've also got this area here.

00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:22.960
Yeah, and you probably have a space only dedicated to the city.

00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:26.000
And I'm not and I'm not managing anybody, I'm managing my own workload.

00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:33.119
Yeah, it'd be it'd be a lot different if I was like going in and I'm and I'm I'm managing a crew and and and crews out, but it's definitely different.

00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:42.000
Yeah, with my with with my job description, what I do it all I need is the internet and and the vehicle.

00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:42.639
Yeah.

00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:43.519
And that's it.

00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:49.760
Yeah, I think that you you know, there's a there there's these big um actually probably saves the company money too.

00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:54.639
And all I mean as far as gas, I mean going from that back and forth, and you're more productive, like you said.

00:39:54.719 --> 00:40:09.440
It's like I go to work very early, and I and the reason I started doing that is because I'm Trying to get things done because I know at seven o'clock or seven seven to eight, there's people all need something, this and that, and the other.

00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:09.679
Yep.

00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:22.400
And now it's like I get there at like 6:15 or 6:30, and it's like still people coming in and needing things, but then I'm like I get irritated about it from time to time, and then I'm like, well, I'm support, you know.

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So I I don't I don't mind it.

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I don't mind it so much because the things that I'm there's things that I'm working on, and then there's people's immediate needs, and I always try to make sure that I take care of the immediate needs.

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But um, but yeah, there's a lot of people though that if they're working from home, they're just fucking off.

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Yeah, no, it's it I can't do that because I we I have to produce something.

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Yeah, I mean, these guys have to sell X amount, and if their closing ratio is only 20 to 25%, guess how much we have to put on on the street?

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Yeah, you know, and you have to estimate God knows how much, and it's just that's just not feasible.

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Yeah, and especially with all the supporting of not only those guys, but like uh you don't even see like how much.

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I mean, I know you'd understand, like, but even on the request from the account managers, like from renewals and recreating the maps and adding different phases that you know, once communities have grown, and and uh yeah, it's it's I actually love my job.

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I really do.

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I'm to the point where like I'm and this has happened as I've gotten older that like I used to juggle like 10 things at a time, and now it's like if I'm working on something and someone just comes in and interrupts me, I'm just like fuck, because I like can't see I'm I'm the same way.

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Well, and I'm not frustrated, but I'm to the I'm to the point, like if I'm working on something, I kind of I kind of approach it as a as a Dave Ramsey way.

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Like overall, I may be working on a big project, but if an email comes through and I can knock something out, and you know, this big project may take me a couple days or whatever, but if something comes through and I can knock that out in an hour or two, I might stop what I'm doing and just knock that off, you know, and just be done with it and just answer that question because Yeah, but you can you working from home, you can make that decision.

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Sure.

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And I always tell everybody, please text me.

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And I'm not trying to be like unsociable and not take your phone call, but if you text me, then like I'm like, oh, someone's texting me, let me finish this thing, yeah, or email me or something because people call and they immediately need something, right?

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And I have to stop what I'm doing, and I become very frustrated by it.

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Are you are you are you somebody that when they receive when you receive an email per a request, you respond like, yeah, I got that, I'll I'll let you know, whatever, or do you just say, I I read the email, yes, I'll add that to my list, but not let them know that I've acknowledged the receipt of the email and I'm gonna I'm gonna work on this in the time 90% of the time, like I said, and some sort of time frame.

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And I've always I'll get with you with quite if I have any questions in the meantime or something like that.

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I've always said this that I am the type of person that um there's the projects that I'm working on, and then there's stuff that immediately needs to be done.

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And since I'm a production-minded guy, it's like I don't want to slow down production.

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So if somebody says, hey, I need this thing, blah, blah, blah, I usually do it real quick and then email back.

00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:15.039
Yeah, so you're kind of the same way.

00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:16.320
You can you figure out what's important.

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If I need to knock this task out quickly, I'll stop what I'm doing and knock it out.

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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I I usually do that because like I said, I know what it's like when you're in production and you're and you're trying to get something done.

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I mean, even little things like that are in the in the same with you, the reason and you doing that is the reason that our company is as successful as it is, but even like even the all these little things, because I don't like it if people do that to me.

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I'm like, hey, and I don't expect a response like immediately, most of the time, but at least like uh, hey, I got it, let me get back with you on this or something.

00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:53.679
And there's a lot of people that don't give a shit about you.

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That see, that's amazing.

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See, I'm the same way.

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I and I almost respond because I'm OCD, because I don't like to see an open email on my email.

00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:01.519
Exactly.

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I can't stand it.

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Exactly.

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Me too.

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I mean, if if I won't let it go past 10 emails before I mean, usually if it comes in, I'm I'm I'm reading it, clicking it, and then I'm